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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI
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Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »You still haven't told us what Trump supporters are voting for. You've told us they've voting for him despite various things, but not why they are voting for him.
I argue it is a vote against something and not an endorsement of Trump. I often see right-wing people troll the opposite side by saying they love Trump, etc..rarely I believe this is actually the case. Can you imagine how bad they believe this ideology is, considering what they know about Trump?
This something being the bigger of two evils, the elephant in the room.
It is the vote against equitable consequences.
It is the vote against "pc" language, and things being taken out of context to the extent that people's lives are ruined.
It is the vote against starting with the 'right conclusion' and working backwards to 'prove' your argument'.
It is the vote against the flipping of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
It is a vote against how our society is moving from a guilt to a shame culture
It is a vote against guilt by association, vicarious guilt, vicarious shame, group shame,group guilt, group identity.
It is a vote against victim-hood and virtue signalling culture.
It is a vote against the condemnation of free speech.
It is a vote against conviction without redemption.
It is a vote against the total abandonment of intellectualism.
It is a vote against outrage mobs.
It is a vote against double standards.
Big sweeping cultural changes are coming solely from one ideological bent.
Most people will now argue with me,"but these are only the minority! This is not the majority."
Which is ,while being true, not telling the whole picture.
The fundamentalists are not called out within the left. So while the majority would only engage in lawful activities, they are in support of these fundamental ideas.
Fundamentalists within the right are called out, and rightly so. No one is working to advance their political goals.
Here is a criminally under-viewed youtube video, detailing why hit jobs by twitter mobs et all are an important parable for our times."The nature of discussion is that we try to find a way to speak about thing in such a way, that an honest person can't honestly misrepresent you. That's how we write and how we speak. But we've been doing something else in recent years, we've had to become used to trying to find ways of speaking and writing that means a dishonest person can not dishonestly misrepresent us. The problem is- that's basically impossible"-Douglas Murray."We in Britain are entering a dangerous social condition in which the direct expression of opinions that conflict-or merely seem to conflict- with a narrow set of orthodoxies is instantly punished by a band of self-appointed vigilantes. We are being cowed into abject conformity around a dubious set of official doctrines and told to adopt a world view that we cannot examine for fear of being publicly humiliated by the censors. This world view might lead to a new and liberated social order; or it might lead to the social and spiritual destruction of our country. How will we know if we are too afraid to discuss it?" - Roger Scruton0 -
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I argue it is a vote against something and not an endorsement of Trump. I often see right-wing people troll the opposite side by saying they love Trump, etc..rarely I believe this is actually the case. Can you imagine how bad they believe this ideology is, considering what they know about Trump?
This something being the bigger of two evils, the elephant in the room.
It is the vote against equitable consequences.
It is the vote against "pc" language, and things being taken out of context to the extent that people's lives are ruined.
It is the vote against starting with the 'right conclusion' and working backwards to 'prove' your argument'.
It is the vote against the flipping of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
It is a vote against how our society is moving from a guilt to a shame culture
It is a vote against guilt by association, vicarious guilt, vicarious shame, group shame,group guilt, group identity.
It is a vote against victim-hood and virtue signalling culture.
It is a vote against the condemnation of free speech.
It is a vote against conviction without redemption.
It is a vote against the total abandonment of intellectualism.
It is a vote against outrage mobs.
It is a vote against double standards.
Big sweeping cultural changes are coming solely from one ideological bent.
Most people will now argue with me,"but these are only the minority! This is not the majority."
Which is ,while being true, not telling the whole picture.
The fundamentalists are not called out within the left. So while the majority would only engage in lawful activities, they are in support of these fundamental ideas.
Fundamentalists within the right are called out, and rightly so. No one is working to advance their political goals.
Here is a criminally under-viewed youtube video, detailing why hit jobs by twitter mobs et all are an important parable for our times.
Gah, pleae stop. It's just not true. You're making a single point over and over and over and saying it determined the entire election.
Find statistics or exit polls showing that people voted for Trump as a backlash against liberal values and online issues. Otherwise, stop this constant posting about the same thing over and over.
An estimated 13% of people that voted for Obama switched to Trump.
Lots of blue collar Democrats swtiched to Trump.
If you bother researching it they say they saw Trump as a continuation of the 'change' that Obama promised. Globalisation had failed middle america and Trump was the voice of the little person.
The reason he may not be re-elected is that these people haven't been served well by him.
This is just one example. Trump's vote was made up aof a lot of separate groups. As you say, SOME of it may have been a backlash to liberal values but some was the death throes of the white american males, some of it was emboldened racists and nationalists he brought out, some was traditional republicians, some were hillary haters, some were tea party, some were democrats, some were bernie sanders fans.
You are always going to be wrong when you oversimplify it as such.0 -
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