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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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  • #92
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    Wrong. Donald Trump will win.

    Why will he win?


  • #93
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

    He’s far worse than all combined.
    Obama was a good President.


  • #94
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.


    By what metric?


  • #95
    Corkblowin
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Corkblowin


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    I think a sensible adjustment to the EC, would be to apportion votes based on the percentage won by each candidate. If State A has 5 votes, and the vote is split 60/40, then one candidate would get 3 and the other .

    This is the solution as it fair to both sides - if you’re a republican in California or New York there’s no point in voting atm. If you thought you might get some EC votes for your party it’d be an incentive to get involved.


  • #96
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    Manic Moran's most recent post on the DONALD TRUMP thread:

    "We don't know that. Common Cause v Lewis is schedule to be heard in the North Carolina courts two weeks from today. It was only filed in November of 2018, so for much of the duration of the federal case, they had not even tried the State court option."

    Yes, total nonsense again.

    How he has not been banned is beyond me. His posts are never relevant, rarely true and typically a distraction from what we have been dicussing.
    In what way is the statement you have quoted 'total nonsense'?


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  • #97
    Sean.3516
    Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Sean.3516


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Why will he win?

    He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?


  • #98
    Sean.3516
    Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Sean.3516


    MrFresh wrote: »
    By what metric?

    Morality


  • #99
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    The most egregious aspect of this is that busing was such a key and often inflammatory element in the history of the Civil Rights movement since the 1950s. ANY President who doesn't know or understand the nuances around that can have no feel for how non-white Americans have lived. Such ignorance of racially charged matters is unforgivable in a POTUS.

    Its funny, he obviously had no clue, but then would an admission as such been as bad? It's such a demonstrably ignorant remark I'd applaud any mouthpiece to translate it into coherence. Trump could have ignored the question or simply pivoted, but he does like these streams of consciousness on subjects beyond his grasp. Must be an arrogance / insecurity thing. It's how we got remarks about knowing more about ISIS than the generals, raking forests and windmills giving you cancer.

    If George W Bush had come out with this, his opponents would have dined out on it for weeks. With Trump, it's merely a Friday.


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    Morality

    You are joking right? Trump, the man who has cheated on every wife and lies every time he opens his mouth. Trump is probably one of the most immoral men you could ever find.


  • #101
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?

    He inherited a great economy from a Democratic President.
    A recession will hit in the next few years.
    What will his defenders have to back him up then?


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  • #102
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You are joking right? Trump, the man who has cheated on every wife and lies every time he opens his mouth. Trump is probably one of the most immoral men you could ever find.

    Not to mention paying off a porn star.
    Morality indeed.


  • #103
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,065 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    There are still at least five Trump supporters in this thread. Their ignorance knows no bounds. One of them is an Irish stooge in a US Army.

    A trussed-up Paddy fighting for a government that would deport hundreds of thousands of Irish Americans without a glimmer of humanity.

    Yet here he is. Question him and face a ban. My advice? Don't bother. In a thread about Trump, he goes off on so many tangents, it's not worth even reading.

    Banned.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • #104
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    Morality


    Why do you consider him moral?


  • #105
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 9,951 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Corkblowin wrote: »
    This is the solution as it fair to both sides - if you’re a republican in California or New York there’s no point in voting atm. If you thought you might get some EC votes for your party it’d be an incentive to get involved.

    It would also offer some greater incentive for 3rd party candidates to get more visibility in the eyes of the public.


  • #106
    Midlife
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?

    Decency, values, things like that.

    if you support trump at this point, you clearly don't get it.

    if there's nothing to it but the economy, then would you say that all American citizens wiould be happy to switch to UAE citizenship or is there something to America that goes beyond the economy?

    if so, any idea what it is?


  • #107
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,065 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.
    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    Who is he? I’d like to shake this fine gentleman’s hand.
    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?
    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    Morality

    Stop the low quality posting please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • #108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Why do you consider him moral?

    I would guess based on the posters history that it's because Trump is aligned with the Republicans who are anti abortion.


  • #109
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

    Based on what?

    What is your criteria on what makes Trump a better president than any of those mentioned? What is your verifiable metric of success?


  • #110
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

    You're classifying FDR as a bad president? FDR and Wilson tend to rank as the best US presidents... Obama while not at their level, he still brought them out of the biggest economic crash since the Great Depression... Trump meanwhile has no real achievements to speak of. So can't really think of a reason that he's better than any of them..


  • #111
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    batgoat wrote: »
    You're classifying FDR as a bad president? FDR and Wilson tend to rank as the best US presidents... Obama while not at their level, he still brought them out of the biggest economic crash since the Great Depression... Trump meanwhile has no real achievements to speak of. So can't really think of a reason that he's better than any of them..

    What has Trump actually achieved?


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  • #112
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Best/Worst US President is a topic that has been assessed time and again over the years by acknowledged experts in the political science field. Organisations like the American Political Sciences Association (APSA) do it from time to time.

    There's a very interesting summary chart available that reports on a wide range of assessments over the years available on

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

    This shows that Trump ranks in last place in the same low ranking as James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. Lincoln, FDR and Washington figure in the top 3. I would rely on such assessments more than an unsupported opinion posted on here tbh.


  • #113
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Cody montana wrote: »
    What has Trump actually achieved?

    I think the only tangible thing he has actually done is the embassy in Jerusalem.


  • #114
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Cody montana wrote: »
    What has Trump actually achieved?

    I think the only tangible thing he has actually done is the embassy in Jerusalem.

    And that flew in the face of the considered opinion and judgement of almost every other country on Earth! Some achievement! US and Guatemala know more/better than everyone else...

    Uh um! I think not!


  • #115
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 18,957 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1144976349259603968?s=19

    Racism is genetic.

    Trump Snr's daddy, Trump Snr, now Trump Jnr


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    And that flew in the face of the considered opinion and judgement of almost every other country on Earth! Some achievement! US and Guatemala know more/better than everyone else...

    Uh um! I think not!
    I never said it was a good thing!


  • #117
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Deleted User wrote: »
    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    And that flew in the face of the considered opinion and judgement of almost every other country on Earth! Some achievement! US and Guatemala know more/better than everyone else...

    Uh um! I think not!
    I never said it was a good thing!

    Fair point. I was adding to your post by pointing out how unilateral and misguided even that single thing he had done was.


  • #118
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    everlast75 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1144976349259603968?s=19

    Racism is genetic.

    Trump Snr's daddy, Trump Snr, now Trump Jnr

    I've seen this reference to Harris' racial background in a few places since Kamala''s debate performance. Not black enough! FFS! It's straight out of the propaganda playbook. Not surprising but no less disgusting!

    Of particular concern is the rapid growth of RT and troll farm involvement in these Harris poison bombs...

    On the other question as to the possible genetic nature of racism, thankfully that's not true. One must have hope in the power of education in changing attitudes. I can only hope that this poisonous Trump trait will first be broken by young Barron. He's young, so he ought not be tarred with that brush.


  • #119
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    But we already know from Trump and his supporters that the most oppressed are the christian white men in America.

    Sure they can't say want they want or even celebrate Christmas

    Have you got proof of this?


  • #120
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,622 ✭✭✭eire4


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    This is my last prediction on the 2020 election. Every statement here is a fact, not an opinion.

    1. Trump won by 144,000 votes in total in the swing states in 2016
    2. The mid-terms was a landslide Democratic wave
    3. Black/Hispanic/Women/LGBT have never been so motivated to vote against Trump
    4. Trump's base has not expanded at all since 2016 and stands at 36%
    5. There are 20 democratic candidates all unified in their objective for the 2020 election

    As facts stand, Trump will be voted out by an overwhelming majority in November 2020, at least 8%, statistically realistic 15%

    Once out, he will immediately be arrested a la Roger Stone and face a criminal trial.

    Facts matter.

    Well I certainly hope you end up being right. Like it or not America is the most powerful country on earth and this current administration has made the US a very real and existential danger to the whole world not just within their own country.


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  • #121
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Yes, Trump winning the election. It was all based on MAGA, getting rid of migrants and Trump made a big play of making Christmas acceptable again.

    I'm not going to dig out the quotes at this hour, just look at any campaign speech.

    PC correctness, liberals. Somehow moving towards equality has let white Americans, particularly white men, feel like they are under attack.

    Hence the continued rise of Neo Nazism, welcomed and facilitated by Trump.

    The very notion that Christmas, the single biggest holiday season in the world, is somehow being denied is such a fabulously ridiculous idea it is not even worth considering anyone that thinks is as remotely rational.


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