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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

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    #302
    boardsuser1
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    MJohnston wrote: »
    I think it's 30 years for state property actually, but I don't really think it would apply here, IR would probably have done work on the land even after closing down the line, which would probably constitute use.

    The last known train to run the Youghal line was in 1988 IIRC.

    They are obliged under some EU directive to maintain the line even if it isn't in use,the only escape clause from it is formally shutting down the line permanently and even then they need to maintain it for 10 years after that.


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    #303
    Del.Monte
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    The last known train to run the Youghal line was in 1988 IIRC.

    They are obliged under some EU directive to maintain the line even if it isn't in use,the only escape clause from it is formally shutting down the line permanently and even then they need to maintain it for 10 years after that.

    Urban legend sadly, and no such directive exists. Where are these buildings on the Midleton/Youghal section? Google maps links please.

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    #304
    boardsuser1
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Urban legend sadly, and no such directive exists. Where are these buildings on the Midleton/Youghal section? Google maps links please.

    Haven't seen them on google maps.

    Look at this thread for the remaining answers, it's in there somewhere.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88787610


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    #305
    Del.Monte
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    Haven't seen them on google maps.

    Look at this thread for the remaining answers, it's in there somewhere.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88787610

    Such as post No.2. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88790474&postcount=2

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    #306
    boardsuser1
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Such as post No.2. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88790474&postcount=2

    A lot can happen in 4 years


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    #307
    Carawaystick
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    The last known train to run the Youghal line was in 1988 IIRC.

    They are obliged under some EU directive to maintain the line even if it isn't in use,the only escape clause from it is formally shutting down the line permanently and even then they need to maintain it for 10 years after that.

    No they are not, I saw a dutch line closed 5 years ago opened as path and cycle route this week.


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    #308
    Muckyboots
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    No they are not, I saw a dutch line closed 5 years ago opened as path and cycle route this week.

    A Mullingar-Athlone style arrangement offers the best of both worlds - a greenway on a rolling lease (permissive access) arrangement, where the local authorities take responsibility for maintaining the alignment and protecting the trackbed and IR have an option to take back the route when, and if, required.


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    #309
    Carawaystick
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    Yeah, that's a no brainer really.


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    Muckyboots
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    http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Greenway-plan-for-the-former-YoughalMidleton-railway-line-79413c78-0b18-4b94-90dc-dc53b5f0e6d3-ds

    "The Youghal track is owned by Irish Rail and they are agreeable for us to make the application. If we are successful, the intention will be to take a long-term lease or licence from them to develop and manage the greenway. Cork County council are very keen to secure a large-scale greenway project for the county, having seen how successful they have been elsewhere. Initially, a number of options were looked at, including the one to Kinsale but that old railway line is predominantly in private ownership. For that reason, the council has decided to focus on projects where the land is in public ownership.”


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    boardsuser1
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    Muckyboots wrote: »
    http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Greenway-plan-for-the-former-YoughalMidleton-railway-line-79413c78-0b18-4b94-90dc-dc53b5f0e6d3-ds

    "The Youghal track is owned by Irish Rail and they are agreeable for us to make the application. If we are successful, the intention will be to take a long-term lease or licence from them to develop and manage the greenway. Cork County council are very keen to secure a large-scale greenway project for the county, having seen how successful they have been elsewhere. Initially, a number of options were looked at, including the one to Kinsale but that old railway line is predominantly in private ownership. For that reason, the council has decided to focus on projects where the land is in public ownership.”

    Final nail in the coffin for that then.


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    Muckyboots
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    Muckyboots wrote: »
    http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Greenway-plan-for-the-former-YoughalMidleton-railway-line-79413c78-0b18-4b94-90dc-dc53b5f0e6d3-ds

    "The Youghal track is owned by Irish Rail and they are agreeable for us to make the application. If we are successful, the intention will be to take a long-term lease or licence from them to develop and manage the greenway. Cork County council are very keen to secure a large-scale greenway project for the county, having seen how successful they have been elsewhere. Initially, a number of options were looked at, including the one to Kinsale but that old railway line is predominantly in private ownership. For that reason, the council has decided to focus on projects where the land is in public ownership.”

    Final nail in the coffin for that then.
    The retail and hospitality businesses in east Cork won't see it that way, as won't walkers, joggers, dog lovers, young parents with young children, occasional foreign tourists, local tourists, mental health advocates, physical health advocates, schools and anyone with a mind to throw the occasional leg over a bike. Railway preservationists should latch on the teat that keeps giving rather than try and suckle on a dried out mammary.


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    #313
    boardsuser1
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    Muckyboots wrote: »
    The retail and hospitality businesses in east Cork won't see it that way, as won't walkers, joggers, dog lovers, young parents with young children, occasional foreign tourists, local tourists, mental health advocates, physical health advocates, schools and anyone with a mind to throw the occasional leg over a bike. Railway preservationists should latch on the teat that keeps giving rather than try and suckle on a dried out mammary.
    From a railway point of view it’s the final nail in the coffin is probably what I should have said.


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    #314
    Carawaystick
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    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    From a railway point of view it’s the final nail in the coffin is probably what I should have said.

    Theres 9k in Youghal and another almost a thousand in Killeagh

    I can't see how that could support 25+km of a railway


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    loyatemu
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    RHJ wrote: »
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    hyperloop! :pac:


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    #317
    MayoSalmon
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    hyperloop! :pac:

    :pac::pac: I'd say the sun will have burned the earth dry before a Hyperloop is seen in Ireland


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    #318
    loyatemu
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    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    :pac::pac: I'd say the sun will have burned the earth dry before a Hyperloop is seen in Ireland

    that's negative talk - them jackeens get their tunnels and whatnot. Youghal demands a hyperloop!


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    #319
    Zubeneschamali
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    Youghal demands a hyperloop!

    West=On=Loop!


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    #321
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    I'd say a more realistic idea is that neither will happen.


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    marno21
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    MOD: Greenways please. Hyperloops elsewhere


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    #324
    Del.Monte
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    RHJ wrote: »
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    It's time for people to realise that blindly accepting the mistakes of the past as set in stone i.e not reopening closed lines is nonsense. Many closures were inevitable but many were colossal blunders - the GNR Derry Road, Harcourt Street, the West Cork lines to name a few.

    The Youghal line should be reopened in a planned way with the development of places like Killeagh, Mogeely and Youghal itself. However, it's unlikely to happen with the short termism prevalent in Ireland. Did I hear somewhere that the first fines for not meeting our Greenhouse gas emissions are going to run into hundreds of millions? I did https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/serious-rise-in-irish-greenhouse-gas-emissions-figures-show-1.3306961

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    #325
    schemingbohemia
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    It's time for people to realise that blindly accepting the mistakes of the past as set in stone i.e not reopening closed lines is nonsense. Many closures were inevitable but many were colossal blunders - the GNR Derry Road, Harcourt Street, the West Cork lines to name a few.

    The Youghal line should be reopened in a planned way with the development of places like Killeagh, Mogeely and Youghal itself. However, it's unlikely to happen with the short termism prevalent in Ireland. Did I hear somewhere that the first fines for not meeting our Greenhouse gas emissions are going to run into hundreds of millions? I did https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/serious-rise-in-irish-greenhouse-gas-emissions-figures-show-1.3306961

    Is increasing the population of Killeagh, Mogeely and Youghal not repeating the mistakes rather than concentrating on increasing the population of Cork City and points closer to Cork City that are already on the already opened line to Midleton?


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    #326
    Del.Monte
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    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    Is increasing the population of Killeagh, Mogeely and Youghal not repeating the mistakes rather than concentrating on increasing the population of Cork City and points closer to Cork City that are already on the already opened line to Midleton?

    Possibly,but not everybody fancies living cheek by jowl with their neighbours in dense housing developments in shoddily built flats/apartments.

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    #327
    schemingbohemia
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Possibly,but not everybody fancies living cheek by jowl with their neighbours in dense housing developments in shoddily built flats/apartments.

    So, yes is what you mean. So you want only some of the mistakes of the past to be made, not all, particularly if it means keeping a dream of a railway being reopened?

    The NPF sets out the importance of intensifying and densifying(?) development in our Cities, not in tiny towns.

    There's no requirement for apartments to be shoddy, the new standards should insist they aren't.


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    #329
    Del.Monte
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    How the hell is a fear of nuclear power irrational? Three Mile Island, Sellafield, Chernobyl and not forgetting Fukushima. Not to mention the waste problem, the cost etc. I take it from your post that you're a millennial - enough said.

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    #330
    Muckyboots
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    How the hell is a fear of nuclear power irrational? Three Mile Island, Sellafield, Chernobyl and not forgetting Fukushima. Not to mention the waste problem, the cost etc. I take it from your post that you're a millennial - enough said.
    Greenways are not a nuclear option for disused railways. Zero carbon commuter solutions, in fact. In most cases the old lines are ill suited for modern rail and new alignments for modern light rail would be a better option. Unless you're one of those rail nostalgics, of course.


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