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How do you convince people god exists?

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  • #62
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    I was brought up a catholic, attended mass regularly and said my prayers at night. Then came the internet, knowledge and church scandals that planted the seeds of doubt. Then a friend of mine suggested I check out Richard Dawkins book the "God Delusion", I got to the end of that book and it was almost like a religious experience, an awakening of sorts. The catholic religion is merely a collection of religious beliefs gathered over thousands of years and put together. The use of local pagan events like the winter solstice on the 25th of December helped ease the transition for the non believers. Part of me still hopes there is some kind of afterlife but not the one that organised religion has been selling and using as a form of control for centuries. On the subjects of an afterlife I read a book called the "Spirit Molecule" that explains DMT.


  • #63
    Panrich
    Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    It isn't so easy to prove God exists, but impossible to reasonably know He does not exist.

    Albeit you claim it isn’t so easy to prove God exists, your assertion indicates that it is possible. I think we have been waiting around here for a long time for someone to come along with a proof of Gods existence.


  • #64
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,644 ✭✭✭storker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Tbh I think the whole atheist trend that is happening now will turn out to be just a phase we go through..

    So much of it is like listening to a disgruntled 15 year old..

    I'm impressed. The disgruntled 15-year-olds you know seem to have got the hang of critical thinking. There's hope for mankind yet, it seems.


  • #65
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    It isn't so easy to prove God exists, but impossible to reasonably know He does not exist.

    Which one?


  • #66
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    storker wrote: »
    I'm impressed. The disgruntled 15-year-olds you know seem to have got the hang of critical thinking. There's hope for mankind yet, it seems.

    Yeah..and it's all ill thought out 2 dimensional understanding, and thinking they're always right..

    I feel this thread would have been a lot better off being left in AH..
    Now you'll just get a load of atheists coming in with quips and a misplaced air of intellectual superiority..


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  • #67
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    storker wrote: »
    I'm impressed. The disgruntled 15-year-olds you know seem to have got the hang of critical thinking. There's hope for mankind yet, it seems.

    With all due respect the height of critical thinking I've ever heard from an atheist is I can't see him therefore he doesn't exist.

    Their arguments have always struck me as basic and rather childish.


  • #68
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah..and it's all ill thought out 2 dimensional understanding, and thinking they're always right..

    I feel this thread would have been a lot better off being left in AH..
    Now you'll just get a load of atheists coming in with quips and a misplaced air of intellectual superiority..

    God forbid anyone have an opinion:D


  • #69
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,644 ✭✭✭storker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah..and it's all ill thought out 2 dimensional understanding, and thinking they're always right..

    I feel this thread would have been a lot better off being left in AH..
    Now you'll just get a load of atheists coming in with quips and a misplaced air of intellectual superiority..

    OK, so prove them wrong. Answer this post with your proof that God exists.


  • #70
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    storker wrote: »
    OK, so prove them wrong. Answer this post with your proof that God exists.

    Shur Moses saw him in the burning bush that time..


  • #71
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shur Moses saw him in the burning bush that time..

    There is a theory that Moses got high on DMT from the burning bush and saw "God"


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  • #72
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shur Moses saw him in the burning bush that time..

    There is a theory that Moses got high on DMT from the burning bush and saw "God"

    Ooohhh.. How cutting edge..


  • #73
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ooohhh.. How cutting edge..

    Is that a typo? Did you mean "Cutting hedge"?


  • #74
    Dexter2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭Dexter2019


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    How do you in history?


    And how do you do it now?

    With all the evidence etc.

    Where is this God?


  • #75
    Nikki Sixx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Nikki Sixx


    You could show them near death experience videos on YouTube. You will even find hardened criminals, who following their n.d.e. became preachers.


  • #76
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    kneemos wrote: »
    With all due respect the height of critical thinking I've ever heard from an atheist is I can't see him therefore he doesn't exist.

    Their arguments have always struck me as basic and rather childish.

    But, but there's a pretty flower! God did it!

    Not half as simplistic, eh?

    Now here's a 2 year-old with leukemia. God has a different plan...


  • #77
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ooohhh.. How cutting edge..

    Is that a typo? Did you mean "Cutting hedge"?

    Touche..


  • #78
    Nikki Sixx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Nikki Sixx


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    But, but there's a pretty flower! God did it!

    Not half as simplistic, eh?

    Now here's a 2 year-old with leukemia. God has a different plan...

    If life is so meaningless/ pointless, you could always throw yourself off a bridge.


  • #79
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Nikki Sixx wrote: »
    You could show them near death experience videos on YouTube. You will even find hardened criminals, who following their n.d.e. became preachers.

    The brain releases doses of DMT from the pineal gland in times of severe stress. When we are born, when we almost die and probably when we die. This is the spirit molecule, probably what aids dreaming. Most everyone that has smoked DMT reports talking to beings or entities and feeling overwhelming love. Bright lights etc. Sound familiar?


  • #80
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah..and it's all ill thought out 2 dimensional understanding, and thinking they're always right..

    I feel this thread would have been a lot better off being left in AH..
    Now you'll just get a load of atheists coming in with quips and a misplaced air of intellectual superiority..

    You should read "The Darkening Age". The early Christian Church literally bullied, beat, stabbed and burnt the intellectual curiosity out of Europe. The only way it could propagate itself.

    But it's the One True Religion!


  • #81
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes..we get it.. you watched the spirit molecule..


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  • #82
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes..we get it.. you watched the spirit molecule..

    Theres a movie? whoohoo


  • #83
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Nikki Sixx wrote: »
    If life is so meaningless/ pointless, you could always throw yourself off a bridge.

    The good Christian response!

    Meaning is what you make it yourself. Make it good, because there's no after-life.


  • #84
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah..and it's all ill thought out 2 dimensional understanding, and thinking they're always right..

    I feel this thread would have been a lot better off being left in AH..
    Now you'll just get a load of atheists coming in with quips and a misplaced air of intellectual superiority..

    You should read "The Darkening Age". The early Christian Church literally bullied, beat, stabbed and burnt the intellectual curiosity out of Europe. The only way it could propagate itself.

    But it's the One True Religion!


    First line of the first review I found of it..

    Catherine Nixey cherry-picks historical evidence in her unevenly researched book The Darkening Age.


  • #85
    rosmoke
    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭rosmoke


    Find a way to lower someone's IQ.


  • #86
    Nikki Sixx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Nikki Sixx


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    The brain releases doses of DMT from the pineal gland in times of severe stress. When we are born, when we almost die and probably when we die. This is the spirit molecule, probably what aids dreaming. Most everyone that has smoked DMT reports talking to beings or entities and feeling overwhelming love. Bright lights etc. Sound familiar?

    Just remember the take three hits of the DMT, the third one is crucial apparently. Well from what I’ve heard on Joe Rogan, the d.m.t. experience is much more trippy than an n.d.e. People who have died and come back have been shown every year of their life and the good and bad they have carried out. A bit different to talking to a psychedelic looking pink alien.


  • #87
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Nikki Sixx wrote: »
    Just remember the take three hits of the DMT, the third one is crucial apparently. Well from what I’ve heard on Joe Rogan, the d.m.t. experience is much more trippy than an n.d.e. People who have died and come back have been shown every year of their life and the good and bad they have carried out. A bit different to talking to a psychedelic looking pink alien.

    I haven't had the pleasure of either experience so can't speculate


  • #88
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    First line of the first review I found of it..

    Catherine Nixey cherry-picks historical evidence in her unevenly researched book The Darkening Age.

    Well, duh. How big would a history book be if it included everything in history?

    Every defender of the church cherry picks history to their heart's content.

    Is any of her book untrue?

    Extremely damning of the church. Some of their tactics were still being used when I was in school.

    "Read this, not that..."

    Cherry picking the Bible.

    But, yeah, cherry picking...:rolleyes:


  • #89
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Well it's being written to an agenda..
    Probably sold like hot cakes amongst the Dawkins acolytes..
    So, well, really, I would just disregard it tbh..


  • #90
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    No harm to have an open mind,unless you believe everything we know is all there is to know.

    To be rather aggressively cock sure that God doesn't exist just has a hint of a teenage rebellious tantrum.


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  • #91
    pauldla
    Registered Users Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    There are no atheists in foxholes.

    For your consideration:

    http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/

    (Ah, I see that donspeekinglesh has beaten me to it).


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