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19-09-2016, 21:54   #16
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My record says the informant was an 'inmate' and I would automatically take that as another patient, and online dictionaries agree with this. Thanks Pinky, I should have re-read the thread more thoroughly, I will contact them direct.
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No, it's definitely another patient in the institution. If it is staff, it will say nurse/occupier or whatever.
I have found over 20 records where the informant was described as inmate - I find it strange that a random patient would have had the information on name, address, age, occupation, marital status, and cause of death sufficient to convince the registrar that they were qualified to report the deaths of several patients, or why a hospital would give the information to patients who would have to tootle down to the registry office to register the deaths.

See link http://bit.ly/2cBR01i this page record eight deaths from hospitals in 1941, all informants are inmates:
Temple St Hospital, T Hall 4 records
Mater Hospital J Cleary 4 records

and here's a page for 1942, with deaths from the Mater and Temple St registered by J Cleary and T Hall, inmates of the respective hospitals http://bit.ly/2dal43f

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It's not that the person is a randomer: they were present at the death and confirming the event. I'm sure the deceased's file would be checked for the rest of the information.
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No, it's definitely another patient in the institution. If it is staff, it will say nurse/occupier or whatever.
In the days when institutions had less staff, and many longterm patients, who did not have a lot wrong with them, these patients/inmates were often used for running errands, and many other chores. It was little more than slavery really.

However there do seem to be some instances where "occupier / inmate" was used without distinction, or that is my suspicion.
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Yes, and mentally ill patients were seen as able-bodied so they were given chores as part of their treatment. My great-grandmother was in Grangegorman but is remembered as doing work there and having had keys to the place.
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On looking at all records on a page, I have seen a batch of deaths in the same hospital have been registered by the same 'inmate'. The records are for deaths in hospitals, not psychiatric institutions, and the same person registers batches of deaths - for example, O'Cleary in the Mater Hospital Dublin and Hall in Temple St Children's hospital both in 1940, then a year later 1941. I have seen the use of 'Inmate SRN' in another case - so that was a nurse. Whatever about patients in psychiatric institutions I can't see how a patient in an acute hospital would have been given the task of registering a batch of deaths.
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Does the informant register the death or is that merely the person who was present when death occurred?
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I believe it is the latter, Hermy.
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I registered the death of my uncle in a nursing home, even though I wasn't present when he died - no one was with him. I was also informant for an aunt's death, although that time I was present at her death. In both cases, as a relative I had the status to act as informant, I also had to present the death certificate signed by the doctor who gave cause of death.
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When I registered the death of my father,who died in a nursing home, I had not seen him until at least an hour after the death.
When my mother died, my sister registered her death, but I had the task of identifying her body for the Garda sergeant at the mortuary. We had found her dead in the bed in the morning.
During my career in the health service, I had occasion to register the death of one individual in my hospital, but I had no role in registering the deaths of patients who died in my care, even the occasions where I was present at death.

Most people have no people to witness their deaths, they are found subsequently dead in their beds, whether at home or in hospital.

Looking at death registrations, some informants are relatives, or a person from the hospital. Others are present at death, who may or may not be related. Sometimes a coroner or a police person or a third party registers the death.

In a hospital setting, the registration is merely a task to be undertaken by somebody convenient, a social worker, a community nurse, the ambulance driver, or a clerical officer on lunch break. A messenger job basically.
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There are files of all the staff and residents of St Ita's hospital but they have all been archived.
And I would imagine it would be hard to find such details just over the phone, as they have no idea who you are.
Most such information would be accessible via an FOI request, and the relevant book can be retrieved from the archive building, which is on the grounds.
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I registered the death of my uncle in a nursing home, even though I wasn't present when he died - no one was with him. I was also informant for an aunt's death, although that time I was present at her death. In both cases, as a relative I had the status to act as informant, I also had to present the death certificate signed by the doctor who gave cause of death.
Lads sorry for dropping in here , I was wondering if anyone knows how to vote the 3 part documentary series about st ita,that was shown on rte some time back ? Interested in history of place. Thks
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