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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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    #32
    Kutebride
    Registered Users Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Kutebride


    Thanks for this. Absolutely. Well aware that goods and cargo need to keep moving and passengers too for essential medical treatment outside our country, for example.
    I was curious why three pax flights in total depart each day. Expect they are making full use of these crafts for goods and cargo.
    If scheduled flights are departing and pax who are booked are not flying, can refunds be expected in this instance.
    LXFlyer wrote: »
    I already answered that in the Flightradar24 thread.

    Aer Lingus carry a large amount of freight in the belly of their aircraft. They don’t just carry passengers like the low-cost airlines such as Ryanair and EasyJet.

    People are forgetting that goods (including medical supplies) have to come into and out of the country.

    Heathrow has a global cargo hub that uses regular scheduled passenger services to distribute goods and that is what would be the principal reason for the Aer Lingus flights.

    There are virtually no passengers on any of the flights - only people repatriating home or essential travellers.

    We need to get this into perspective.

    Right now Aer Lingus are playing their part, small as it is, in helping to keep distribution channels into and out of Ireland open.


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    #33
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    If the flight operates or the carrier rebooked you such that it is within the limits set down by EC261 and that flight operates. You are entitled to nothing in terms of a refund bar the usual taxes.

    If the flight is cancelled and any alternative is outside the limits set down by Ec261, refund is due.


    EI has a had to add an extra LHR-BHD flight to address demand, so people are moving around.


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    #34
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    They are paid to provide a service, empty or full makes no difference to operator and likely be no saving for taxpayer by suspending.

    I wonder will the airports close on a temporary basis soon though, considering there must be nearly zero flights arriving.

    I assume they are getting the government covid wage subsidy, which can't last either.


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    #35
    de biz
    Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭de biz


    Credit Irish Times

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/state-owned-airports-seek-regional-funding-cuts-1.4245511

    The Regional Airport additional state funding and PSO route cost is referenced in the article from the Irish Times yesterday 05 May.


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    #36
    Nibs05
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    EI-EIN showing arriving at 15:05


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    #37
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Kutebride wrote: »
    Thanks for this. Absolutely. Well aware that goods and cargo need to keep moving and passengers too for essential medical treatment outside our country, for example.
    I was curious why three pax flights in total depart each day. Expect they are making full use of these crafts for goods and cargo.
    If scheduled flights are departing and pax who are booked are not flying, can refunds be expected in this instance.

    Al are offering a free change flight. Anyone with a flight booked, and who are unlikely to fly should take up the offer. If the flight goes ahead they will lose out if they don’t fly.


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    #38
    ozzy jr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    The times on the DUB - PEK route are very appealing, if you've ever travelled to that part of the world.

    Leaving Dublin at 14.30 gets you into Beijing at about 7.00 - 7.30 the next morning.

    Leaving Beijing at 10.00 would get back to Dublin at approx 14.00.

    Would that be in time to make the last trans Atlantic departure of the day?

    I know it's unlikely to happen, just curious if the turn around times are possible.


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    #39
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Just moved a discussion about Saudia flight to Dublin, new thread can be found at https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058076868

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #40
    Tenger
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    ozzy jr wrote: »
    The times on the DUB - PEK route are very appealing, if you've ever travelled to that part of the world.

    Leaving Dublin at 14.30 gets you into Beijing at about 7.00 - 7.30 the next morning.

    Leaving Beijing at 10.00 would get back to Dublin at approx 14.00.

    Would that be in time to make the last trans Atlantic departure of the day?

    I know it's unlikely to happen, just curious if the turn around times are possible.

    There are multiple DUB-PEK departures each day. Based on loading windows in PEK.
    No chance that any potential passenger route would use the same times.


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    #41
    ozzy jr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    Tenger wrote: »
    There are multiple DUB-PEK departures each day. Based on loading windows in PEK.
    No chance that any potential passenger route would use the same times.

    Yeah I know that, I'm just asking in a fantasy world would those times work.


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    #42
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    ozzy jr wrote: »
    Yeah I know that, I'm just asking in a fantasy world would those times work.


    There's also the complication that to operate that route could mean 2 airframes, and there's very little slack in there for maintenance and cleaning between flights.



    While it would look like the cargo flights are going to be needed for some time to come, I can't see a passenger service requirement being viable for quite some time to come, a daily flight is likely to have low utilisation, and while the present exceptional cargo flights are being operated by crew that travel out with the aircraft, that would not be possible in the same way with passenger services, so a regular passenger service would be a very different scenario.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #43
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Also, didn't Hainan already run a PEK-Dub service, but pulled it due to poor load factors?


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    #44
    Kcormahs
    Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭Kcormahs


    how many redundancies at Aer Lingus? why was the Friday meeting cancelled?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-postpones-meeting-with-unions-1.4248453


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    #45
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    ozzy jr wrote: »

    Leaving Dublin at 14.30 gets you into Beijing at about 7.00 - 7.30 the next morning.

    Leaving Beijing at 10.00 would get back to Dublin at approx 14.00.

    3 hours on the ground for the crews? Enough time to get some good chinese food and some duty free smokes?


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    #46
    Tenger
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    Kcormahs wrote: »
    how many redundancies at Aer Lingus? why was the Friday meeting cancelled?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-postpones-meeting-with-unions-1.4248453

    "up to 900" and "No info" are the answers you were looking for.


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    #47
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Random post so as to subscribe to the new thread;

    n9koiwjf473z.jpg
    Aer-Lingus-747-Steve-Williams-1103x640.jpg

    And last but not least, one of the finest angle shots of one of the finest aircraft flying today (IMO) - They just look so good after take off from this angle!!

    AerLingus-A330-620x350.jpg


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    #48
    basill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭basill


    Tenger wrote: »
    "up to 900" and "No info" are the answers you were looking for.


    "Could", and "may lead to" also as part of a "reported" 20% cost saving that allegedly EI wants.

    900 was 4500 (existing number of EI employees) * 1/5. Possibly but can't categorically say that this piece of Pulitzer winning journalism might have originated from a redtop and has quickly gained traction as it makes easy clickbait.


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    #49
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    basill wrote: »
    "Could", and "may lead to" also as part of a "reported" 20% cost saving that allegedly EI wants.

    900 was 4500 (existing number of EI employees) * 1/5. Possibly but can't categorically say that this piece of Pulitzer winning journalism might have originated from a redtop and has quickly gained traction as it makes easy clickbait.

    Willie Walsh confirmed up to 900 layoffs.


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    #50
    MoeJay
    Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭MoeJay


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Willie Walsh confirmed up to 900 layoffs.

    When did he say that?


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    #51
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    The issue as he pointed out in his Commons committee virtual appearance (when asked if he was picking on British Airways given the numbers had been firmed up on them) is that the process for redundancy in the UK is different to that in Spain and Ireland. In the UK you can click your fingers more easily and say "This many", whereas formally in Ireland you need to go through a consultation process where alternatives to redundancy are considered over a fixed minimum period of time.
    These consultations must take place at the earliest opportunity and at least 30 days before the notice of redundancy is given. The aim of the consultation is to consider whether there are any alternatives to the redundancies.

    So while you can have an idea of numbers based on the type of cost savings the business identifies it requires at the outset, you would be setting yourself up for expensive employment cases if you say "900 jobs will go", as the results of the consultation process cannot be a foregone conclusion in law.

    Now, the practice may well be (and everyone in the room knows it) that the consultation process will end in a pretty fixed result. But saying so formally at the outset is a quick way to lose money.

    That's why you're not hearing firm numbers for EI where you have them for BA.


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    #52
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    MoeJay wrote: »
    When did he say that?
    Mr Walsh confirmed that Aer Lingus’ staff numbers are likely to be 20% smaller by next year.

    He stopped short of confirming that 900 job cuts are being sought at Aer Lingus, as was reported last week. That figure, however, is 20% of its total 4,500 workforce.

    I'm sure, he'd be able to tell you he is consulting with elected representitives.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/willie-walsh-no-prospect-for-and-no-need-of-aer-lingus-re-nationalisation-998263.html


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    #53
    fullstop
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Random post so as to subscribe to the new thread;

    Aer-Lingus-747-Steve-Williams-1103x640.jpg

    Flying the (Ivory Coast) flag :D


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    #54
    billy few mates
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    fullstop wrote: »
    Flying the (Ivory Coast) flag :D

    Or following the internationally recognised protocol for displaying national flags on the side of aircraft, it's not a regulation here and operators can do whatever they want but this is the common protocol.
    In the states it's a federal regulation.

    https://thepointsguy.com/news/planes-display-american-flag-backwards/


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    #55
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    To avoid copyright breach, here is the original photo with credit:
    https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus-Irish-International-Airlines/Boeing-747-148/251985/L


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    #56
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    To avoid copyright breach, here is the original photo with credit:
    https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus-Irish-International-Airlines/Boeing-747-148/251985/L

    A truly majestic photograph. Thanks for uploading it.


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    #57
    Comhrá
    Registered Users Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    To avoid copyright breach, here is the original photo with credit:
    https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus-Irish-International-Airlines/Boeing-747-148/251985/L

    An excellent photograph. The EI 747s looked very elegant in that delivery scheme. I always thought the later green-top livery didn't do them justice.


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    #58
    Kcormahs
    Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭Kcormahs


    State may take a stake in Aer Lingus (IAG) to protect strategic routes

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-state-bodies-and-firms-line-up-for-bailouts-1.4253829


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    #59
    kevinandrew
    Registered Users Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Kcormahs wrote: »
    State may take a stake in Aer Lingus (IAG) to protect strategic routes

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-state-bodies-and-firms-line-up-for-bailouts-1.4253829

    I'm guessing this would only be an option if Aer Lingus went asking for state support. It wouldn't go down well with IAG, after all, the Spanish government has already agreed a loan for Iberia without even considering taking a stake in the airline.

    Would be short sighted and more trouble than it's worth for the government in my opinion.


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    #60
    Lapmo_Dancer
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    Hearing speculation that EI has secured a PPE contract to South Korea.


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    #61
    sherology
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭sherology


    Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »
    Hearing speculation that EI has secured a PPE contract to South Korea.

    The HSE has indeed sourced PPE from there so perhaps EI has won the delivery contract.


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