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Knock/Eirtrade thread

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  • #122
    smurfjed
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    $1000 per seat average?


  • #123
    Andrew33
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    $1000 per seat average?
    As I said at the start of my post “very roughly”
    Most tickets between Europe and Australia or Europe and west coast US or middle east and US which would be the 380s hunting ground would be in that price range.
    Moot point anyway.
    The A380 has not been a commercial success otherwise they wouldn’t be shutting down production.


  • #124
    Idbatterim
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    Converting an a380 to fire fight would be insane I take it ? I read why they wouldn’t be good for freight. But for one single run, you wouldn’t need much fuel on board...


  • #125
    billy few mates
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Converting an a380 to fire fight would be insane I take it ? I read why they wouldn’t be good for freight. But for one single run, you wouldn’t need much fuel on board...
    Because they're not designed as freighters and to convert them into freighters would require an STC (supplementary type certificate) by the manufacturer or a third party which would involve a huge amount of investment to have it designed and certified. It would also involve a huge amount of structural work to be done on the aircraft to cut the hole for the door and beef up the structure to allow for the changes in load forces and the installation of a cargo loading system.
    With so few aircraft for conversion, so little interest in a freighter version of it it just wouldn't be worth the time and effort (and cost) of designing the STC, they would never recoup the design costs.
    Far better to design an STC for a freighter conversion for aircraft that are already widely available and in cheap supply.


  • #126
    cnocbui
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    Andrew33 wrote: »
    As I said at the start of my post “very roughly”
    Most tickets between Europe and Australia or Europe and west coast US or middle east and US which would be the 380s hunting ground would be in that price range.
    Moot point anyway.
    The A380 has not been a commercial success otherwise they wouldn’t be shutting down production.

    I have flown on the A380 at least twice on the Australia - LHR route. The tickets from memory were more like 60% per flight of that as they were return.


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  • #127
    Andrew33
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    I have flown on the A380 at least twice on the Australia - LHR route. The tickets from memory were more like 60% per flight of that as they were return.
    I hate repeating myself.
    I said ROUGHLY and AVERAGE


  • #128
    cnocbui
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    Andrew33 wrote: »
    I hate repeating myself.
    I said ROUGHLY and AVERAGE

    And I was just saying what actual tickets cost me. I wasn't criticising, just attempting to provide data.


  • #129
    Lurching
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    Andrew33 wrote: »
    I hate repeating myself.
    I said ROUGHLY and AVERAGE

    If you're looking at pure averages and not weighted average, you're definitely not going to be less than €1,000 per seat per leg.
    Particularly when you look at the likes of Emirates having at least half of the overall floor space in Business or better.


  • #130
    smurfjed
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    EK operate with 3 layouts, 14/76/39o, 14/76/427, 0/58/557

    Dubai London two weeks from now is €480 economy / €3000 business / €5660 first

    So a full load should make 512,200 / 517 = €990 per seat, based on cheap advance purchased tickets.


  • #131
    Andrew33
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    EK operate with 3 layouts, 14/76/39o, 14/76/427, 0/58/557

    Dubai London two weeks from now is €480 economy / €3000 business / €5660 first

    So a full load should make 512,200 / 517 = €990 per seat, based on cheap advance purchased tickets.
    So my very rough guess of 1/2 mill was pretty close.
    Cheers.


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  • #132
    Stovepipe
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    What you are forgetting is the return from cargo. If a 330 crossing the Atlantic twice a day can carry enough cargo, as well as pax baggage, to pay for the two trips and still earn a profit, then a 380 can do it. A dozen pallets of medical supplies or computer parts, combined with the earnings from the first and business classes will pay for the economy seats and fuel and wages for those trips. It actually doesnt cost much to move a person in an aeroplane when you move them in multiples of hundreds. Ryanair is the perfect example of this; put enough aircraft into service, fly them often enough and you bring the seat cost per mile down to pennies in some cases. An A380 is just a bigger version of the same thing. The down side is you wear out the aircraft very quickly, so that a ten year old 380 has reached the point where it's worth parting it out.


  • #133
    LiamaDelta
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    So did anyone get any photos of this yet?


  • #134
    mickdw
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    Not in yet


  • #135
    Del2005
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    It looks like it's taken off. It's not showing a destination on flight radar, is it going to Knock?

    Edit

    New to flight radar, it flew up Leipzig


  • #136
    Connacht
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    Yes, it has flown Dresden - Leipzig this morning.


  • #137
    Andrew33
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    Connacht wrote: »
    Yes, it has flown Dresden - Leipzig this morning.
    Not seeing it on FR


  • #138
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,648 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Del2005 wrote: »
    It looks like it's taken off. It's not showing a destination on flight radar, is it going to Knock?

    Edit

    New to flight radar, it flew up Leipzig

    I don't know about Knock, but it's snowing quite a bit in Clare and Tipp. I'd imagine a dry runway might be preferred.


  • #139
    Del2005
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    I don't know about Knock, but it's snowing quite a bit in Clare and Tipp. I'd imagine a dry runway might be preferred.

    Yeah wondering if they will fly in to a orange weather warning.


  • #140
    eastmayo
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    Yeah wondering if they will fly in to a orange weather warning.

    Not due into knock until Friday.


  • #141
    circular flexing
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    Andrew33 wrote: »
    Not seeing it on FR


    https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-hpjb#23d0cf58


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  • #142
    Del2005
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    eastmayo wrote: »
    Not due into knock until Friday.

    Is that because of the weather?


  • #143
    Board Walker
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    Flying Ireland are reporting that up to 4 A380 will be scrapped at Knock.


  • #144
    billie1b
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    Is that because of the weather?

    Think it’s going to Leipzig first to have some interior parts taken out, then onto knock to be broken down


  • #145
    [Deleted User]
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    Yeah four of them due in to Knock to be broken up.


  • #146
    mickdw
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    How will they handle A380.
    Their hanger doesn't look near big enough.
    Will they chop it in 2 outside and cut the tail off before dragging it inside.


  • #147
    GM228
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    mickdw wrote: »
    How will they handle A380.
    Their hanger doesn't look near big enough.
    Will they chop it in 2 outside and cut the tail off before dragging it inside.

    Hanger is only 20,000 square feet, will be dismantled on the tarmac.


  • #148
    Board Walker
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    mickdw wrote: »
    How will they handle A380.
    Their hanger doesn't look near big enough.
    Will they chop it in 2 outside and cut the tail off before dragging it inside.

    Aircraft are usually scrapped outside.


  • #149
    mickdw
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    Board Walker wrote: »
    Aircraft are usually scrapped outside.

    That doesn't sound like a great plan.
    Pulling apart an aluminium shell at the top of a hill in the west of Ireland alongside a working runway - what could possibly go wrong.
    There was a video here of them tearing apart a jet in the hanger which made alot of sense.


  • #150
    Fritzbox
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    Who knows, maybe they'll cut the wings off completely, cut the tail fin and one of the horizontal stabilisers off, then roll the entire 2-storey fuselage on its side?

    Should fit through the doors then, shouldn't it?


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  • #151
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Look up videos of fuselage scrapping. Its a giant chain wrapped around the fuselage and chopping it into smaller sections


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