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Knock/Eirtrade thread

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  • #62
    Mebuntu
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    GM228 wrote: »
    There are a few types which have never had a fatality, or even a hull loss (there were 3 x A319 hull losses, but thankfully no fatalities).

    Mostly newer types such as the 787s, neos, A340s, A350s etc, but older fleets such as the Boeing 717 for example has had no fatalities or hull losses, same as the Bombardier C Series variants.

    Of the various older plane types which have had fatalities I think the 747-8 is the only sub series variant with no fatalities or hull losses.


    Air France tried to land a 340 in a thunderstorm in Toronto, overran and ended up in a ravine. No fatalities.


    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pASuwW6K9Ww/maxresdefault.jpg


  • #63
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    Mebuntu wrote: »
    Air France tried to land a 340 in a thunderstorm in Toronto, overran and ended up in a ravine. No fatalities.


    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pASuwW6K9Ww/maxresdefault.jpg

    Forgot about that one.


  • #64
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    embraer170 wrote: »
    The A380 visiting Dublin was announced, but maybe it never went ahead?
    https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/confirmed-worlds-largest-passenger-plane-set-to-land-in-dublin-35493548.html
    That visit never happened. We had a flight number and an ETD but the Emirates manager (Enda Corneille) deleted the tweets without explanation about 5 days after posting the 3rd one and the aircraft was delivered straight to DXB. Thoughts at the time were that they couldnt spare the aircraft for a PR stunt.
    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    A319 hasn't, and there's nearly 1500 of them in service, doing several cycles a day.
    But the A319 is part of the wider A318/319/320/321 family.


  • #65
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,674 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    circular flexing wrote: »
    Why is economy A380 the best bet? Surely the comfort level depends on the airline trim.

    https://www.traveller.com.au/airbus-a350-and-boeing-787-dreamliner-economy-class-seat-width-shrinks-h1l5sz


  • #66
    jamo2oo9
    Registered Users Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    Tenger wrote: »
    That visit never happened. We had a flight number and an ETD but the Emirates manager (Enda Corneille) deleted the tweets without explanation about 5 days after posting the 3rd one and the aircraft was delivered straight to DXB. Thoughts at the time were that they couldnt spare the aircraft for a PR stunt.

    It wasn't due to not having spare aircraft but rather Dublin not being able to handle the A380. A lot of work is required to make the taxiways and stands accessible for the aircraft. Not to mention, new equipment as well for catering, servicing etc.

    If it was capable, Emirates would be using A380 daily.


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  • #67
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    jamo2oo9 wrote: »
    It wasn't due to not having spare aircraft but rather Dublin not being able to handle the A380. A lot of work is required to make the taxiways and stands accessible for the aircraft. Not to mention, new equipment as well for catering, servicing etc.

    If it was capable, Emirates would be using A380 daily.

    It was to come in and depart with no PAX as a publicity stunt, so there was no issues with landing, stabling and take off at Dublin.


  • #68
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Only parts of the taxiway system were capable of taking a loaded A380, at the time. Even aircraft like the A330 and 747 can cause problems in Dublin. Parts of the ramp have sunk under their weight, from time to time.


  • #69
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,866 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Tenger wrote: »
    But the A319 is part of the wider A318/319/320/321 family.

    717 was cited earlier and it's part of the DC-9 family...

    Life ain't always empty.



  • #70
    Connacht
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭Connacht


    This would be something to see alright. But @GVHOT, if the aircraft has left the AF fleet, why would the Call Sign still be AFR375S?


  • #71
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Connacht wrote: »
    This would be something to see alright. But @GVHOT, if the aircraft has left the AF fleet, why would the Call Sign still be AFR375S?

    It can have left service but still be on the airline's books from a legal etc point of view. Far from uncommon.


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  • #72
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    It can have left service but still be on the airline's books from a legal etc point of view. Far from uncommon.

    Thought it was returned to a lessor though?


  • #73
    Manuel
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Manuel


    If you want to track it on FlightRadar, just track the reg F-HPJB.

    I have an email alert setup in FlightAware for whenever a flight plan is filed for that reg .... just in case @GVHOT gets run over by a bus before Monday (God forbid) .....

    Flight plan alert doesn't always work, but I set it up just in case.


  • #74
    Neworder79
    Registered Users Posts: 607 ✭✭✭Neworder79


    embraer170 wrote: »
    What wide-bodies has Knock seen before? I presume some Boeing 767s at various times.

    They've had several wide-body charters (bar the bigger Airbuses). TriStar, DC8, 707s from US in early days.
    Last 747 was a charter in 2003 and but mostly 757 and the odd 767.

    foto-no-exif.jpg

    ---


    Here is the last batch scrapped by Eirtrade at EIKN (2x737, 1x757).
    I think one may have been acquired for fire training:

    foto-no-exif-2.jpg


  • #75
    Board Walker
    Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    GM228 wrote: »
    There are a few types which have never had a fatality, or even a hull loss (there were 3 x A319 hull losses, but thankfully no fatalities).

    Mostly newer types such as the 787s, neos, A340s, A350s etc, but older fleets such as the Boeing 717 for example has had no fatalities or hull losses, same as the Bombardier C Series variants.

    Of the various older plane types which have had fatalities I think the 747-8 is the only sub series variant with no fatalities or hull losses.
    Didn't an Air France A340 skid off the back of a runway and get destroyed?

    I'm sure an Ethihad A340 got wrote off during an engine test also....


  • #76
    hopeso
    Registered Users Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭hopeso


    Neworder79 wrote: »


    Here is the last batch scrapped by Eirtrade at EIKN (2x737, 1x757).
    I think one may have been acquired for fire training:

    foto-no-exif-2.jpg

    Where was this photo taken from? Will it be possible to get a similar shot of the A380 when she arrives?


  • #77
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Not that it will be an issue but am I right that the A380 can land at Knock but the runway isn’t long enough for it to take off?


  • #78
    billy few mates
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    It can have left service but still be on the airline's books from a legal etc point of view. Far from uncommon.

    It's normal to remain on the operator's AOC until delivery to it's final resting place and de-registration.
    If the current operator took it off their AOC it would have to be transferred to another AOC or it wouldn't be allowed to fly.


  • #79
    Fritzbox
    Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Fritzbox


    hopeso wrote: »
    Where was this photo taken from?

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/56388143@N06/34072449256

    Will it be possible to get a similar shot of the A380 when she arrives?

    An Airbus A380? You'll be able to photograph it from Ballina.


  • #80
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Mad that a plane is getting scrapped after just 10 years in service. Anyone got any insight into the breaking process and where it goes? What happens things like the cockpit and all instruments, seats, etc? Would there be a collectors/enthusiasts market for those? Or perhaps film companies creating an airplane set.

    And the wings, I presume these are just crushed and recycled but (in theory) could they be re-purposed as turbine blades for wind farms?


  • #81
    Neworder79
    Registered Users Posts: 607 ✭✭✭Neworder79


    hopeso wrote: »
    Where was this photo taken from? Will it be possible to get a similar shot of the A380 when she arrives?

    EIKN-Satellite-sw.jpg

    Taken from the the hangar on apron B (purple pin) which you can drive to unless they restrict the access road.
    But given it's size it would be easily visible from the local road and the main Terminal building viewing lounge.


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  • #82
    marcos_94
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭marcos_94


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Mad that a plane is getting scrapped after just 10 years in service. Anyone got any insight into the breaking process and where it goes? What happens things like the cockpit and all instruments, seats, etc? Would there be a collectors/enthusiasts market for those? Or perhaps film companies creating an airplane set.

    And the wings, I presume these are just crushed and recycled but (in theory) could they be re-purposed as turbine blades for wind farms?

    Id assume that considering theres still a couple of hundred still flying, the majority of parts will be sold as spares


  • #83
    dzilla
    Registered Users Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Mad that a plane is getting scrapped after just 10 years in service. Anyone got any insight into the breaking process and where it goes? What happens things like the cockpit and all instruments, seats, etc? Would there be a collectors/enthusiasts market for those? Or perhaps film companies creating an airplane set.

    And the wings, I presume these are just crushed and recycled but (in theory) could they be re-purposed as turbine blades for wind farms?

    I imagine the airplane equivalent of https://partfinder.ie/


  • #84
    Davidth88
    Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    Aircraft goes into parts.

    Each part will be certified etc.

    My brother delivers aircraft parts in the UK, one of the main places he picks up from is Staverton where all sorts are broken up.


  • #85
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    The weather isn't really promised to be that great early next week around the NW so I'd not be surprised to see the flight rescheduled.


  • #86
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Muahahaha wrote: »

    And the wings, I presume these are just crushed and recycled but (in theory) could they be re-purposed as turbine blades for wind farms?

    They would not be in any way suitable for that.


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Sorry folks, now the 14th at 1500. With a flight test out of Dresden on the 11th.

    Staff at the airport are aware there is an A380 due in so there must be some truth to the story.


  • #88
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    they strip out every part that can be overhauled as there is a huge market for hydraulic actuators,pumps,valves, instruments, galleys, usable wiring harnesses,undercarriage parts, wheels and brakes, galleys, doors, slides, fuel pumps, fuel tanks, pipes and ducts and a host of other bug and small parts and only when it is a skeleton,will they break it down with a digger's bucket. The scrap will be seperated into steel/aluminium/titanium/tungsten/plasticsand so on 'til all that remains is an oil stain and even that will be cleaned up. Some of the big scrapping centres even have their own furnaces so the alloys can be turned into ingots as quickly as they can feed the stuff in. Collectors and simulator builders can usually reserve parts in advance on breakers' websites.


  • #89
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    L1011 wrote: »
    They would not be in any way suitable for that.

    Economics aside what would exclude them, the shape of a wing or the weight being too heavy? Is there any cross over at all in the engineering considerations of an aircraft wing vs a turbine blade, would have thought both need to be light weight metals that can withstand huge wind forces. Thats as far as my engineering nous goes though :o


  • #90
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Economics aside what would exclude them, the shape of a wing or the weight being too heavy? Is there any cross over at all in the engineering considerations of an aircraft wing vs a turbine blade, would have thought both need to be light weight metals that can withstand huge wind forces. Thats as far as my engineering nous goes though :o

    Everything.

    Shape. Size. Weight. Aerodynamics.

    They're two totally different things that look slightly similar.

    Also, theres ~480 A380 wings in existance in totality. There are about 1000 turbines 3 blades each in Ireland alone. It wouldn't be worth the effort to try adapt them.


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  • #91
    cycling is fun
    Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭cycling is fun


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sorry folks, now the 14th at 1500. With a flight test out of Dresden on the 11th.

    Staff at the airport are aware there is an A380 due in so there must be some truth to the story.


    Hi can I ask how you know this? I contacted Knock yesterday via messanger on facebook and they said that had no fixed date as of yet. I live 1 hour from Knock and would be interested in travelling over to see it. I contacted eirtrade and have got no reply back from them yet

    can I ask how you came to find out?


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