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    #92
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Treadhead wrote: »
    While I agree with your sentiment, is there any reason the editor of a national newspaper should know the difference?
    i believe yes . if your going to write about trains you should have actual knowledge on the subject.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #93
    savagethegoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭savagethegoat


    How could you expect a journalist to have knowledge of every subject there is to write about.? Just consider how inaccurate the info must be in all the other articles you read.


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    #94
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    savagethegoat wrote: »
    How could you expect a journalist to have knowledge of every subject there is to write about.? Just consider how inaccurate the info must be in all the other articles you read.

    Indeed I agree with this, if that were the case every newspaper would need people with knowledge of every subject they write about, they would probably then be the most knowledgeable/highly skilled workers in the worlds seeing as how they report on probably just about everything each year!


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    #95
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    GM228 wrote: »
    Indeed I agree with this, if that were the case every newspaper would need people with knowledge of every subject they write about, they would probably then be the most knowledgeable/highly skilled workers in the worlds seeing as how they report on probably just about everything each year!

    Unless journalists are specialists in specific fields, they are not going to know the level of detail alluded in the earlier post. Nor could any reasonable person expect them to. Most journalists are news correspondents - they report across all subjects, and as such will have a knowledge of most subjects that any "man on the street" will have.

    However, I think it is not unreasonable in this day and age to expect that patronising descriptions of people as "Thomas the Tank Engine fans" are not used to describe people who have an interest in railways.

    People have all kinds of interests, and frankly that's what makes the world an interesting place - that kind of comment is belittling and frankly dated at this stage.


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    #96
    savagethegoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭savagethegoat


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Unless journalists are specialists in specific fields, they are not going to know the level of detail alluded in the earlier post. Nor could any reasonable person expect them to. Most journalists are news correspondents - they report across all subjects, and as such will have a knowledge of most subjects that any "man on the street" will have.

    However, I think it is not unreasonable in this day and age to expect that patronising descriptions of people as "Thomas the Tank Engine fans" are not used to describe people who have an interest in railways.

    People have all kinds of interests, and frankly that's what makes the world an interesting place - that kind of comment is belittling and frankly dated at this stage.

    you're being over touchy here and misunderstanding what it says. It refers to rail enthusiasts or T The TE fans...it isn't suggesting they are interchangeable descriptions. They mean it wont have enthusiasts or children as it's core market.


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    #97
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,469 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    savagethegoat wrote: »
    How could you expect a journalist to have knowledge of every subject there is to write about.? Just consider how inaccurate the info must be in all the other articles you read.

    I'd expect they could manage to put an hour or so of research into a piece they write rather than spouting any old rubbish. It's not too much to ask really


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    #98
    cython
    Registered Users Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭cython


    Treadhead wrote: »
    While I agree with your sentiment, is there any reason the editor of a national newspaper should know the difference?
    end of the road wrote: »
    i believe yes . if your going to write about trains you should have actual knowledge on the subject.
    savagethegoat wrote: »
    How could you expect a journalist to have knowledge of every subject there is to write about.? Just consider how inaccurate the info must be in all the other articles you read.

    And this (not knowing everything about everything) arguably goes double/treble for the editor (about whom the question was originally asked, after all), given that someone in that position sits over an even broader field of subjects than any single journalist.


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    #99
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    This latest "attack" on enthusisasts is perceived nonsence. The article does not refer to enthusiasts with the Thomas the Tank Engine remark. It's obvious it claims that this fancy train is not designed for enthusiasts (clearly stated) or kids (via the tank engine reference.)

    But if you are a trainspotter/enthusiast and want to get offended, then off you go.:rolleyes:

    As for this project, I can't wait for it to happen. Despite all the negativity on our railway, this is a breath of fresh air from a company who know what they are doing and they have put their money where their mouth is.


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    #100
    savagethegoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭savagethegoat


    I bet the antics of the train buffs chasing it will be a source of amusement to the crew and passengers. (I'll be one of them...better buy a hoodie!


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    #101
    metrovick001
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭metrovick001


    ..me too..!


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    #102
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    And me.:D Happy xmas everyone.


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    #103
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Anyway loads of millionaires are railfans.

    What I found most obnoxious about this article was the notion that is somehow too good for Irish people...Reminds me of something from the old Indian Raj the way the author goes on.


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    #104
    BeardySi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭BeardySi


    Let's also not forget that today's Thomas fans are tomorrows heritage rail vounteers - there were certainly lots ans lots of them on the Santa Special I took the wee girl on the other week.


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    #105
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    I wonder will Railtours Ireland pick up the MkIIIs for a song when Belmond realise their mistake. :D Happy Christmas.

    ****



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    #106
    savagethegoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭savagethegoat


    should that happen it takes very little to re-bogie them and use them elsewhere


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    #107
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    I wonder will Railtours Ireland pick up the MkIIIs for a song when Belmond realise their mistake. :D Happy Christmas.

    You know that won't happen.:D Get the Ham on and peel the spuds!


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    #108
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    or kids (via the tank engine reference.).

    Stating the blatantly obviously amounts to poor journalism. It's the same as stating the train will be made up of carriages and an engine: it's just filling space for the sake of it.


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    #109
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Stating the blatantly obviously amounts to poor journalism. It's the same as stating the train will be made up of carriages and an engine: it's just filling space for the sake of it.

    I'm used to poor journalism. But the piece is in no way offensive to "Trainspotters" (There! I said it!) That's the real issue here. A few heads getting upset that they are being branded, has been the theme of recent posts. They should get over themselves.


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    #110
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Yeah, it's better to be called a trainspotter than a dribbler. :D

    ****



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    #111
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Yeah, it's better to be called a trainspotter than a dribbler. :D

    Ah just dribble over some game bird at dinner tomorrow.:D


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    #112
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    I'm outta here before I get banned - Happy Christmas all. :D

    ****



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    #113
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    I'm used to poor journalism. But the piece is in no way offensive to "Trainspotters" (There! I said it!) That's the real issue here. A few heads getting upset that they are being branded, has been the theme of recent posts. They should get over themselves.

    Perhaps I misread it so - but no need to get on a high horse about that either.

    A simple comment that it wasn't aimed at rail enthusiasts would suffice.


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    #114
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Perhaps I misread it so - but no need to get on a high horse about that either.

    A simple comment that it wasn't aimed at rail enthusiasts would suffice.

    You did misread it and I didn't get on any high horse about it. I articulated things only in the interests of clearly stating that it wasn't aimed at rail enthusiasts, which it clearly wasn't.


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    #115
    metrovick001
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭metrovick001


    Anybody know when these vehicles will hit the high iron?
    I assume that there will be commissioning / training runs required well in advance of introduction to service.


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    #116
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,965 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    metrovick001 wrote: »
    Anybody know when these vehicles will hit the high iron?
    I assume that there will be commissioning / training runs required well in advance of introduction to service.

    Testing and clearance checks won't begin until all the fleet have arrived back from refurbishment. First tentative dates for their tours are August. Between this, Steam Dreams and a projected expansion for the Railtours Emerald Explorer it's going to be a busy year for overpriced tours in Ireland.


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    #117
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Most of the Mk3s are finished their first phase in Scotland and are now in Belfast for internal fitout works.


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    #118
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    I hope they know that taking the central partition out a Mk 3 weakens the bodyshell.. (it was made of steel and welded for a reason)

    I have visions of the things sagging in the middle once the add all the heavy wood etc..


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    #119
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Its been subject to finite state analysis and practical tests in UK.

    The partition really is there for other reasons, the Mk2 and both UK and IE Mk4 don't have them...


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    #120
    Seanmk1
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Seanmk1


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    I hope they know that taking the central partition out a Mk 3 weakens the bodyshell.. (it was made of steel and welded for a reason)

    I have visions of the things sagging in the middle once the add all the heavy wood etc..

    The central partition has been removed in a lot of the UK mark 3 refurbishments, so it's likely not to be that important.

    I notice that the "panoramic" window at the back of the set doesn't match the publicity photos.


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    #121
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Seanmk1 wrote: »
    The central partition has been removed in a lot of the UK mark 3 refurbishments, so it's likely not to be that important.

    It was in one of the reports after the Ufton Nervet derailment that the removal of the partition MAY have contributed to 3 of the coaches "folding" in the middle.


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