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From today (22 Dec), unaccompanied learner drivers can have their cars taken off them

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  • #32
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/bereaved-family-unfair-on-driver-reform-rural-tds-critical-of-appalling-new-laws-893691.html


    And Matty Mc Grath and Healy Rae should be ashamed of themselves


  • #33
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,282 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Im not looking to have licenses revoked.

    Its extremely difficult for a young or maybe not so young person to drive. 12 module lessons , be accompanied everytime they drive then pass the test and for the first 2 years be accompanied also.

    Once you pass your test you don’t need to drive with someone for two years


  • #34
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    salmocab wrote: »
    Once you pass your test you don’t need to drive with someone for two years

    I thought when the N plate was introduced it required accompanied for a period after being successful.

    Maybee that was proposed legislation before it was passed


  • #35
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,076 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Ross should be ashamed of himself, every single thing he's done is a kick in the stones to people living outside public transport areas.
    Completely out of touch with rural Ireland. How the hell are people who start work after school meant to get to work. Mammy and Daddy drive them for 3yrs. Absolutely nuts legislation.
    Drop the licence age to 15 so at least they can become independent at 18.


  • #36
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,282 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    I thought when the N plate was introduced it required accompanied for a period after being successful.

    Maybee that was proposed legislation before it was passed

    No it doesn’t mean that at all, you get harsher penalty points when your a novice that’s about it.


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  • #37
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    salmocab wrote: »
    No it doesn’t mean that at all, you get harsher penalty points when your a novice that’s about it.

    Everyday is a schoolday.


  • #38
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,001 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    I thought when the N plate was introduced it required accompanied for a period after being successful.

    Maybee that was proposed legislation before it was passed
    You are not very well informed tbh.

    Not your ornery onager



  • #39
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,001 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    mikeecho wrote: »
    The driving test was introduced in 1964, before that you just paid for it.
    So in 1964, you'd have to have been 17/18 to get a, licence for Just a fee, so that would make you 72 now.

    Prior to 1964 not everone would have had access to cars, so wouldn't have had the need to even apply for a licence.

    I don't believe that there is a large amount if drivers out there that have never sat a test.
    You are forgetting the 1979 event, although the people on the waiting list then only got the licence for the class in which they had applied for in the test.

    Anybody know how many licences were issued then?

    Not your ornery onager



  • #40
    tipptom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    Idiot minister should concern himself with doing something useful like getting his department more efficient first so learners can get their test when they are ready before he starts persecuting learner drivers trying to get to work or college.

    Hard enough for them on ****e wages,disgracful roads,rip off road tax,paying 3,500 insurance just as a named driver or 5k for themselves,being made to apply for ps card just to do the theory and then having to avoid a lot of idiots out there driving with a full license who if they are unlucky enough to have one of them run in to them the provisional driver will be cited in statistics to demonise them even more.


  • #41
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,282 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Ross should be ashamed of himself, every single thing he's done is a kick in the stones to people living outside public transport areas.
    Completely out of touch with rural Ireland. How the hell are people who start work after school meant to get to work. Mammy and Daddy drive them for 3yrs. Absolutely nuts legislation.
    Drop the licence age to 15 so at least they can become independent at 18.

    Your right about Ross but wrong about rural Ireland somebody who hasn’t passed a test shouldn’t be allowed drive alone. Their personal circumstances are irrelevant. You can get a license aged 17 so should be able to pass by 18 which is school leaving age. If you fail your test then you have shown your not able to drive correctly.


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  • #42
    mikeecho
    Registered Users Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Esel wrote: »
    You are forgetting the 1979 event, although the people on the waiting list then only got the licence for the class in which they had applied for in the test.

    Anybody know how many licences were issued then?

    I refered to 1979 in an earlier post,
    Only people on the waiting list with a second or subsequent provisional licence were eligible.


  • #43
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,018 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    My late husband was one of the people who got a licence just by asking for it. He drove accident free for some 50 years until he voluntarily gave it up for health reasons. I took lessons in the UK, did a very thorough test in an African country then had to do another one when I got to Ireland in 1973. Also accident free since getting my Irish licence.

    Driving then was completely different from driving on modern roads. Very little traffic, minimal road markings, relatively limited speed and road surfaces that were not conducive to fast driving. Car control and experience was gained without significant pressure. Cars were less powerful, less reliable, less safe and less complicated - and until the Great Trade In, mostly held together with baling twine. It was a time when you could just about get away with the system as it was.

    Now, everything has moved on, different times, different circumstances. I do think that driving lessons need to be more accessible and facilities such as driving areas more available. I also think that older people need to be able to demonstrate driving ability after about 70 - and that includes me. And anyone found guilty of a motoring offence should have to take (and pay for) a refresher driving test.


  • #44
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    I hope they test all those people who got a full license just by applying years ago and never had a single lesson or test in their life

    Ah here that was 40 years ago. Let it go.


  • #45
    recyclebin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    I'm not sure why the car owner should be punished too. Its very easy to take the parents car without permission! They should punish the learner driver.


  • #46
    bladebrew
    Registered Users Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Was it every true that you could drive on the second provisional on your own or was that another like the "two weeks grace" car tax thing?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/drivers-expected-to-comply-with-legislation-66326.html

    Definitely was true, I ticked the box for B provisional while I had a moped, then 2 years later when I bought a car I could drive unaccompanied but legally because I was onto a 2nd provisional!
    They even refer to it in the article as a loophole that was closed, I passed my test just before it was stopped!


  • #47
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Ah here that was 40 years ago. Let it go.

    Its ok, Im over it now


  • #48
    Damien360
    Registered Users Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Esel wrote: »
    You are forgetting the 1979 event, although the people on the waiting list then only got the licence for the class in which they had applied for in the test.

    Anybody know how many licences were issued then?

    My father in law applied for every single license available on that day. He got all of them. Drove trucks for a while although I'm not sure it ever included artic's. They were very large horse boxes, bin trucks, dumper trucks, school buses. He is not a good driver at all. Now in his 70's, if we have to go somewhere together, I drive, be it my car or his.


  • #49
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    recyclebin wrote: »
    I'm not sure why the car owner should be punished too. Its very easy to take the parents car without permission! They should punish the learner driver.

    If the driver took the car without the permission of the owner, they will get prosecuted for that too. Essentially they will be done for stealing the car.

    In that case the owner doesn't get prosecuted. However it puts parents in the uncomfortable position of having their children done for stealing the family car or getting done themselves.


  • #50
    StereoSound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    It says car owners who allow learner drivers to use their car face fines, imprisonment or car seizes. What about learner drivers who own their own car? Whats their punishment ?


  • #51
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Ross should be ashamed of himself, every single thing he's done is a kick in the stones to people living outside public transport areas.
    .


    bollix, these are the people most likely to be killed by these louts


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  • #52
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Ross should be ashamed of himself, every single thing he's done is a kick in the stones to people living outside public transport areas.
    Completely out of touch with rural Ireland. How the hell are people who start work after school meant to get to work. Mammy and Daddy drive them for 3yrs. Absolutely nuts legislation.
    Drop the licence age to 15 so at least they can become independent at 18.

    Like Germany do your lessons and get your full licence . Before that no one should be on the road. Why would that take anyone three years ?


  • #53
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Like Germany do your lessons and get your full licence . Before that no one should be on the road. Why would that take anyone three years ?

    In the good old days one test fail and then a subsequent pass could take around 110 weeks from the initial application. Don't know what it's like now though.


  • #54
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Patww79 wrote: »
    In the good old days one test fail and then a subsequent pass could take around 110 weeks from the initial application. Don't know what it's like now though.

    Its nothing like that now . I can't quote weeks but it's definitely nothing as long . I know a family member who did a re test in 12 days


  • #55
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭corks finest


    About time, only country in Europe that you're allowed drive unaccompanied,did my test in the north,no one,as in no one is allowed to drive unaccompanied, crazy how ppl do it here, enforcement is another matter,never happen


  • #56
    EPAndlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭EPAndlee


    When I started driving I didn't do as much as a driving lesson before it. I got my provisional, paid my insurance and went straight to driving. Never had an person accompany me or even an L plate because the law wasn't enforced. Stopped plenty of times and never a word said about it. They might actually enforce the law this time around


  • #57
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭jmreire


    mikeecho wrote: »
    The driving test was introduced in 1964, before that you just paid for it.
    So in 1964, you'd have to have been 17/18 to get a, licence for Just a fee, so that would make you 72 now.

    Prior to 1964 not everone would have had access to cars, so wouldn't have had the need to even apply for a licence.

    I don't believe that there is a large amount if drivers out there that have never sat a test.

    Nope, they are a dying breed...


  • #58
    cml387
    Registered Users Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭cml387


    Road deaths in ireland in 1978 - 628
    Road deaths in ireland in 2017 - 158

    And every piece of driving legislation introduced between those years has been met with howls of outrage.


  • #59
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,282 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    cml387 wrote: »
    Road deaths in ireland in 1978 - 628
    Road deaths in ireland in 2017 - 158

    And every piece of driving legislation introduced between those years has been met with howls of outrage.

    That doesn’t even take into account how many more cars are on the road now.


  • #60
    cml387
    Registered Users Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭cml387


    salmocab wrote: »
    That doesn’t even take into account how many more cars are on the road now.

    I couldn't find that statistic, but I'd guess that it's a huge increase.


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  • #61
    Emmersonn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Emmersonn


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    I hope they test all those people who got a full license just by applying years ago and never had a single lesson or test in their life
    God you must be one of the few who got their licence in this way to be still alive and you must still have a great memory. :rolleyes:


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