How about get a degree where there are jobs instead of crying about it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/i-m-irish-and-i-live-abroad-why-have-we-been-forgotten-in-election-2020-1.4152683

This article was another dinger from a few weeks back!

bamayang wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/i-m-irish-and-i-live-abroad-why-have-we-been-forgotten-in-election-2020-1.4152683

This article was another dinger from a few weeks back!

Bloody hell. Now I moved abroad in 2010 (I should add not for work reasons but personal reasons and I left a €60k a year job for life in my home town so I was not forced out by austerity) but this notion that emigrants are owed is just downright embarrassing.

Of course "we" are forgotten about...we do not live in Ireland, we do not pay tax, we make no contribution whatsoever to the overall running of the country so why the hell should we be given a second thought.

It seems to be a recurring theme: move abroad and spend your time bitching a whining about it with Peig Sayers crying in the background.

I stay away from the Irish Centers and GAA ex pat types- they do nothing for me and quite frankly they are the most depressing places you will ever visit. They are pitifully sad- usually rural west of Ireland/border county types. As I am urbane and sauve (:D) it is just not my scene.

I stake my mortgage on it that if it was put up to these emigrants that would stay abroad.

The fact that the Irish are so fluid in moving around is a positive trait.

Here in the UK local lads wouldn't dream of moving 2 miles down the road let alone abroad hence you have a stagnant dull insular Brexit mentality in large swathes of the country north of London. What makes UK cities like London et al vibrant is not the locals but rather by the influx and mix of different cultures and nationalities.

Millicently wrote: »

I agreed with most of what you said until this part. That's a very broad sweeping statement to make. Given that you are an immigrant in Britain it's understandable that you wouldn't be pro Brexit but you'll find that quite a few people from ethnic backgrounds voted for Brexit because of the influx and mix of different cultures and nationalities in cities like London. Just watching the coverage from Streatham on Sky the other day and the people they interviewed didn't speak English as a first language. That's a big part of what caused Brexit.



There are pros and cons to migration but people don't like to talk about the downside. Like in Ireland, Coveney recently stated that over 80,000 people a year migrate to Ireland, regardless of whether or not those people have skills or are legal or not that's a big part of the housing crisis right there.

Well you are correct it is a sweeping generalistion. I am angry as hell over Brexit and the sheep who seem to swallow anything the right wing media through at them- put any old ****e in a paper so it must be true. My own in laws included.

But Governments must not be allowed to get away with allowing emigrants to be scapegoated for the housing crisis- by an large it is a failure to provide sufficient housing stock in the first place and leaving it to profit driven private housing developers. What killed housing over in the UK was Margaret Thatcher starting the 'right to buy' scheme in the late 70s and 80s. Hundred of thousands if not millions of Council built properties moved into private ownership and not replaced. Well, private developers stepped in to charge our generation £200-£300k for a house that is outside the reach of most people.

But of course it suits London to allow the emigrants take the blame. Perfect. Off the hook.

I actually posted here yesterday on another thread about my daily battles communicating with people at work when English is not even their second or even third language. I recall a lady here a few years ago with translator and zero English. I assumed she recently arrived but I nearly fell off the chair when she said she had been here since 1987.

Of course being tired and cynical I thought: "Oh yeah no English. I bet you don't. I bet if there was money riding on it you would turn up sounding like Stephen Fry."

But the irony is that the vast majority of non English speaking emigrants in the UK are from South Asia or Commonwealth countries. Nothing to do with the EU but that message was drowned out by a visceral hatred of the EU by the right wing media.

Ipso wrote: »

What kind of jobs do people with Arts degrees normally get?

I have a BA. I don't know anyone in my graduating class who entered a career in the Arts. What the BA does is offer a benchmark on your CV that you have a certain level of intelligence, ability to retain information and apply critical thinking for a broad range of general but not career specific subjects. It gives you a head start over those without degrees.

Unfortunately, nowadays an undergraduate BA degree is not enough and needs to be backed up by a Masters or post graduate equivalent that specialises in an industry that will give you employment opportunities. Sometimes people have to compromise with their education choices.

If I studied to be a paleontologist because that is my dream like Ross in Friends and choose to live in west Clare or North Leitrim, I can't really complain that there are no jobs for my qualifications there.

Yurt! wrote: »

I said this in another thread, there's a strong case to be made for the Irish abroad (at least those who have left in the last few years) to be allowed a vote.

We're one of the very few developed countries that doesn't allow for it. We're outliers in this regard.

I'll wait for the tax whinge to come now. The one thing you can rely on in Ireland is that everybody hates everybody else.

Why should those abroad get a say in how I live, while I get no say in their lives? Why should they get to choose what happens in Ireland without ever having to live with the consequences?

I'm not saying staying in Ireland is some heroic sacrifice that earns me a vote, but if you leave the country you give up your right to have a say in how it's run. You can't have it both ways.

I have a non-degree in Media. I have a decent job (unrelated field), earn slightly more than the median wage in this country, health insurance, pension etc.

These days there's decent-paying jobs for those who a) want them and b) are willing to put in the graft.

Millicently wrote: »

It's lazy journalism filling columns. My generation who were at school in the 80's couldn't give a great whoop whoop about this guy or any other emigrant/immigrant, we just had to get on with things, nobody gave a good God damn how we 'felt' about things. It was taken as a given that you'd escape small town rural Ireland as soon as you could. You are exactly the type of person they aim this nonsense at.



Grown man gets paid to whinge about having to emigrate so he can write stuff that will probably never see the light of day and you're annoyed on his behalf because people don't feel sorry for him. If you're going to rally behind something at least find a decent cause. I hear the environment is very popular at the moment, seems my generation destroyed the ozone layer with our hairspray.

And your generation's horrible lack of empathy and compassion is a large part of why your children's generation are suffering from horrendous mental health issues and the suicide rate is so high.

The guy isn't 'whinging'. He did exactly what people in your day did - left rural Ireland to try to carve out a life elsewhere. People your age could have put in the same level of effort and ended up with a decent house in London. That simply isn't possible for his generation. And he's not even complaining about it! He's happy to live in a tiny flat that isn't damp and mouldy, work for free and live modestly.

I don't know why so many people of your generation think problems aren't 'real' if the person experiencing them has a degree or a smartphone or whatever other sh1te you think makes their problems invalid. He couldn't get work in a recession and he emigrated. His life was no less difficult than yours.

Fccwontletmebe wrote: »

Great post, you don’t need college today to land a great job.

Plenty of courses in your spare time that you can do to upskill.

Whether it’s Business, IT, Marketing and a wide range of others.

I am currently in one of these Upskilling courses and honestly the general consensus among students is that doing the full degree is by far the best thing to do and around half will continue to finish the degree.

Ush1 wrote:

As oppose to what? Some vacuous "arts" based course filled with self important "artists".

Strangly enough, society actually needs self important artists just as much as other self important non-artists