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EU to recommend abolishing DST

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  • #92
    [Deleted User]
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    I took part in this and I voted for to end it and keep summer time.

    I think this must be the first vote that I have voted the same as Robert!!


  • #93
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Which is better

    Kids being driven and dropped off at schools in increasing brightness or in the dark with it not getting bright for another hour.

    Many primary schools open between 9 and 9.30.

    In the 20 to 15 mins before schools start kids are dropped off and supervised in playgrounds until they line up to go in.

    If this change comes in that will be happening in the dark.

    That does not happen currently.

    Open schools in January one hour later.


  • #94
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Open schools in January one hour later.

    Much easier to put clocks forward or backwards twice a year.


  • #95
    [Deleted User]
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Which is better

    Kids being driven and dropped off at schools in increasing brightness or in the dark with it not getting bright for another hour.

    Many primary schools open between 9 and 9.30.

    In the 20 to 15 mins before schools start kids are dropped off and supervised in playgrounds until they line up to go in.

    If this change comes in that will be happening in the dark.

    That does not happen currently.

    And kids can't hang around in semi darkness for 15 mins?
    Precious


  • #96
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Open schools in January one hour later.

    It'd be easier to just not put the clock's forward in March. Less hassle than leaving the country on perma BST time.


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  • #97
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    In the winter its not.

    For most people it’s the one month in January that’s the issue. And yes, it’s nice to wake up to brightness but it’s one month.

    If it’s winter time all year the sun would set tonight at 7:15 in Dublin. Would have set by now.

    My preference would be a short change to winter time for two months but if we are to not have a change then summer time all year is preferable.


  • #98
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Much easier to put clocks forward or backwards twice a year.

    It isn’t. And that’s not the option we are discussing here. I’m happy with changing the times but assuming the EU directive goes ahead : summertime > wintertime.


  • #99
    EdgeCase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    There are a couple of issues:

    1. I'm not aware of the EU having any power to make law in that area. So it's just a suggestion.

    2. It would be impractical to have two time zones on the Island of Ireland.


  • #100
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Much easier to put clocks forward or backwards twice a year.

    No.


  • #101
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    There are a couple of issues:

    1. I'm not aware of the EU having any power to make law in that area. So it's just a suggestion.

    2. It would be impractical to have two time zones on the Island of Ireland.

    Don't worry the backstop is coming


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  • #102
    [Deleted User]
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    EdgeCase wrote: »
    There are a couple of issues:

    1. I'm not aware of the EU having any power to make law in that area. So it's just a suggestion.

    2. It would be impractical to have two time zones on the Island of Ireland.

    On your second point, no it wouldn't. It doesn't matter.
    Lots of countries bordering each other are in different time zones, makes no difference to life.


  • #103
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    I can remember when I was a child in the late 60s/early 70s, that there was a period of 2 or 3 years when the clocks did not go back in October. I can still remember starting the school day in mid winter in full darkness..


  • #104
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    GarIT wrote: »
    No.

    So let's say you have a family with two parents working.

    One goes to work at 8 the other at 9.

    The one that goes at 9 drops the kids to schools at 8.45 and can be at work for 9.

    What do they do in January ?

    Their employer let's them come in a hour later ?

    They pay extra child care for the extra hours ?

    Much easier to move the clocks on a bank holiday Sunday and at the end of march


  • #105
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    So let's say you have a family with two parents working.

    One goes to work at 8 the other at 9.

    The one that goes at 9 drops the kids to schools at 8.45 and can be at work for 9.

    What do they do in January ?

    Their employer let's them come in a hour later ?

    They pay extra child care for the extra hours ?

    Much easier to move the clocks on a bank holiday Sunday and at the end of march

    Most employers would follow the schools and opening times of everything else, it would be bad publicity not to. You commented on what would be easier, everything starting an hour later would be easier than the time changing.


  • #106
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    Would mean abolishing IST (Irish Standard Time) and Ireland adopting GMT (Grenwich Mean Time) year round.


  • #107
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    GarIT wrote: »
    Most employers would follow the schools and opening times of everything else, it would be bad publicity not to. You commented on what would be easier, everything starting an hour later would be easier than the time changing.

    So the extra hour daylight I'm getting in the evening is of no use to me because I started work and hour late and have to stay an hour later.

    Is the time change twice a year really that difficult ?

    It's a stupid idea


  • #108
    Niles Crane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    Considering the amount of business we do with the UK and the fact that we are right beside them and have a land border with the UK it would be completely daft to go onto a different time than them.


  • #109
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    Niles Crane wrote: »
    Considering the amount of business we do with the UK and the fact that we are right beside them and have a land border with the UK it would be completely daft to go onto a different time than them.

    And yet international companies manage with much more time difference


  • #110
    jeoun
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭jeoun


    Why not put the clocks back 30 minutes across Europe in October and then we are done with time changes forever?? This seems to be an easy solution that I have never heard anyone putting forward.


  • #111
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    jeoun wrote: »
    Why not put the clocks back 30 minutes across Europe in October?? This seems to be an easy solution that I have never heard anyone putting forward.

    I'll go with that.
    /close thread/


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  • #112
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    GLaDOS wrote: »
    All I know is it is depressing as fúck when the clocks go back and suddenly you're leaving work in almost complete darkness :(

    By then the first stirrings the build up to Christmas have begun to try and lift the gloom.


  • #113
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,710 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    right - so if Europe abolish DST .. and the UK is leaving europe next march or whenever it is, and going to keep DST - then we could find an hours difference between Republic of Ireland and northern Ireland ?


  • #114
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,453 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    right - so if Europe abolish DST .. and the UK is leaving europe next march or whenever it is, and going to keep DST - then we could find an hours difference between Republic of Ireland and northern Ireland ?

    Happens all over the world. Even within countries.


  • #115
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    right - so if Europe abolish DST .. and the UK is leaving europe next march or whenever it is, and going to keep DST - then we could find an hours difference between Republic of Ireland and northern Ireland ?

    If UK keep DST we will have same time as UK for 6 months and be one hour ahead of them for 6 months


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
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    I’ve been calling for this to happen for years. Changing clocks is idiotic and having extra light in the morning compared to the evening is a total waste. We should stay on summer time all year round.

    I really can’t understand why anyone would prefer the extra light in the morning when you are sitting in work during the week and sleeping at weekends. It’s espeically at weekends that the extra hour in the evening would be most beneficial as a lot would probably leave work in darkness during the week even with the extra hour but it would still be a little brighter going home and give you that extra stretch on weekends rather than depressing dark evenings.


  • #117
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,710 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Leroy Cuddly Warmonger wrote: »
    I’ve been calling for this to happen for years. Changing clocks is idiotic and having extra light in the morning compared to the evening is a total waste. We should stay on summer time all year round.

    I really can’t understand why anyone would prefer the extra light in the morning when you are sitting in work during the week and sleeping at weekends. It’s espeically at weekends that the extra hour in the evening would be most beneficial as a lot would probably leave work in darkness during the week even with the extra hour but it would still be a little brighter going home and give you that extra stretch on weekends rather than depressing dark evenings.

    wouldnt the extra light in the morning help you to wake up better? - there is something about chemical in your brain that light triggers your biological system to wake up - if its dark in the mornings then it might make you feel more tired


  • #118
    Capt'n Midnight
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    wexie wrote: »
    It already isn't, if you look at a map of the timezones more than half of the country should be in GMT -1 if you were to go by the orbit of the sun.
    Which is why we use Irish Standard Time here.

    This change would mean we'd use IST all year around rather than just during the summer.


  • #119
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    wouldnt the extra light in the morning help you to wake up better? - there is something about chemical in your brain that light triggers your biological system to wake up - if its dark in the mornings then it might make you feel more tired

    It's not enough in the winter mornings to wake up anyway, may as well have the daylight when the majority can enjoy it most.


  • #120
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    Leroy Cuddly Warmonger wrote: »
    I’ve been calling for this to happen for years. Changing clocks is idiotic and having extra light in the morning compared to the evening is a total waste. We should stay on summer time all year round.

    I really can’t understand why anyone would prefer the extra light in the morning when you are sitting in work during the week and sleeping at weekends. It’s espeically at weekends that the extra hour in the evening would be most beneficial as a lot would probably leave work in darkness during the week even with the extra hour but it would still be a little brighter going home and give you that extra stretch on weekends rather than depressing dark evenings.

    wouldnt the extra light in the morning help you to wake up better? - there is something about chemical in your brain that light triggers your biological system to wake up - if its dark in the mornings then it might make you feel more tired

    I’m a disaster in the morning anyway regardless of light or dark (I also have black out blinds and curtains so my room is pitch dark even in summe) also even as things are it’s dark when people are going to work. Having a bit more light in the evenings would be better for everyone and allow people to do things with a bit of light.


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  • #121
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    You can tell those who don't do a tap of work outside a commuting to an office type environment. They are so removed from the outdoor life they don't really think light matters until the weekend or summer hols.

    The 30 minute compromise idea has some merit though.


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