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How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    This guy./

    Lol. If you keep noticing women are afraid to be in a room with you, it's probably something you're doing.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Ralf and Florian


    And that's far from being his most toe curling tweet. Far from it.



    https://twitter.com/samrboland/status/952957719757099008


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Given the way some feminists have tried to block initiatives highlighting men's rights/men's issues, I thought this was interesting.

    http://www.oldandnewproject.net/Essays/Stop%20the%20Harassment%20ad.html
    Stop the Harassment and Threats Against Radical Feminists

    Ad in the December 2017 Issue of The Progressive

    [..]

    We are therefore disturbed by recent demonization, intimidation, and threats of violence against radical and lesbian feminists by certain segments of the transgender community and their supporters who have attempted to silence feminist voices and have had a chilling effect on the ability to engage in open discussion and debate on complex issues of sex, gender, and sexuality, a debate that is sorely needed in order to build an effective and united movement.

    These disturbing incidents include the following:

    (1) Ann Menasche, a long time social justice activist, socialist, Green, and civil rights lawyer was cyberbullied on Facebook in March of 2017 by a group of trans-activists and their supporters. She was labeled a “TERF” (“Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist”), “Nazi,” “rapist,” “racist,” and a supporter of “genocide” who, like other “TERFs” are hateful bigots that deserve to die. Several people contacted her employer in an unsuccessful attempt to get her fired from her job. Her “crime” was to respond to a post by writing that persons born female are oppressed on the basis of sex (a position taken by many leftists since the time of Karl Marx), and that it was unfortunate that many males fail to recognize this fact.

    (2) Feminists involved in the Vancouver Women’s Library faced similar threats and epithets by a group calling itself “Trans Communist Cadre” during its opening night event in February of 2017. Though the library welcomed transwomen to participate in the event and to join the library, more than two dozen protesters showed up, blocking and assaulting female patrons, tearing a poster from the wall, pouring red wine on the bookshelves and books, and tripping the fire alarm. They labelled library supporters “TERFS” and “fascists,” demanded that the library take “TERF” books off the shelves (authors such as Adrienne Rich and Mary Daly) and made groundless accusations of violence against library founders.

    (3) In March of 2017, Tasha-Rose Hodges, a mother of six with children in the St Paul, Minnesota, school district, announced her candidacy for Board of Education. The focus of her campaign was to improve the quality of education in St. Paul and address problems like lead in the drinking water. She had also taken a strong stand against bullying of any kind in the schools, including on the basis of gender identity. However, because she had expressed gender-critical views, within 24 hours of announcing her candidacy, an on-line campaign began to bully her into dropping out of the race. They described Hodges as a “loathsome snake,” accusing her of spreading “venom” and “hate,” with one writer telling her crudely to essentially go home and masturbate. Another reminded readers “to punch your local TERF.” The harassment escalated to include death threats. Hodges ended up dropping out of the race because it was no longer possible for her to focus on the issues that had motivated her campaign to begin with.

    (4) In January, 2017, the Working Class Movement Library in Salford England, a small volunteer-run library which archives stories of working class people's lives and activism, announced that it would be hosting feminist journalist Julie Bindel as a speaker. Julie is a founder of Justice for Women, a movement for women who live with domestic violence. She was to speak on her experiences growing up as a working class lesbian. In response, hundreds of people began a petition campaign demanding that the library rescind the invitation, claiming that her work and her views on gender constituted bigotry. Julie was accused of “violence,” and was called a “fascist” and “Nazi.” The protesters even went so far as to go after the library’s funding. However, many women around the world voiced their support for her right to speak. Ultimately, the library did not cave into the pressure to no-platform her, and on February 4, 2017, Julie gave her talk.

    (5) In January, 2017, Carey Callahan, a person who has detransitioned from a transman back to female (not herself a radical feminist), posted on her blog a link to screen shots of responses a friend of hers, also a de-transitioner, had received to a post the friend made on twitter. Her friend had tweeted that she believed there was a need for female-only space. Two transwomen responded by providing a detailed description of how they would rape her, sending her pictures of their genitals. Casey, who describes herself as “invested in the well-being of anyone with gender dysphoria, whether trans-identified or not,” declared that she was done with taking seriously people who use the word “TERF” because of the harassment and threats that go along with the word.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,143 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    TBH, that these morons would cannibalise themselves was inevitable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    And that's far from being his most toe curling tweet. Far from it.



    https://twitter.com/samrboland/status/952957719757099008
    From the moment it first aired, 23 and a half years ago, I, aged 16, knew #Friends was sexist and homophobic (and racist as ****). Plus, I didn't know what transphobia was then, but I could deduce it was present from the other two. Your fave isn't problematic, it's trash.

    He didn't know what transphobia was back when the show first aired but he waited twenty years and now he has every right to be offended.

    Somebody tell this poor devil that Friends was not a documentary.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    He didn't know what transphobia was back when the show first aired but he waited twenty years and now he has every right to be offended.

    Somebody tell this poor devil that Friends was not a documentary.

    The fact that they didnt film each episode of friends for an audience that didnt exist at the time is to me their own fault. I mean who didnt see the gender fluid future we live in coming? I know Phoebe was on to it. Or maybe it was Ursula?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    From The Washington Post no less
    Opinions
    Why can’t we hate men?

    by Suzanna Danuta Walters June 8

    Suzanna Danuta Walters, a professor of sociology and director of the Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Program at Northeastern University, is the editor of the gender studies journal Signs.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    iptba wrote: »
    From The Washington Post no less
    NOt a shock and like that RTE piece in the other thread the usual feminist ranting, half truths and outright lies.
    it seems logical to hate men.
    Fair enough. At least she's being clear.
    The world has little place for feminist anger.
    The western media is well stocked with it love. Hard to bloody avoid.
    If he really were with us, wouldn’t he reckon that one good way to change structural violence and inequity would be to refuse the power that comes with it?

    So men, if you really are #WithUs and would like us to not hate you for all the millennia of woe you have produced and benefited from, start with this: Lean out so we can actually just stand up without being beaten down. Pledge to vote for feminist women only. Don’t run for office. Don’t be in charge of anything. Step away from the power. We got this. And please know that your crocodile tears won’t be wiped away by us anymore. We have every right to hate you. You have done us wrong. #BecausePatriarchy. It is long past time to play hard for Team Feminism. And win.
    Claims to be a feminist, which we hear is all about equality, but again at least she's honest and demonstrates this type of feminism is anything but egalitarian. She clearly states that they're not equal. In essence men(and women who ask questions of this nonsense) should bow down before her and her ilk and we'll take the power. "We got this"? You wouldn't know what to do with it. If I were to wager on her reasoning I'd bet it's not a little to do with penis envy and being pissed off she wasn't born a man.

    What's interesting about this is that this "writer" is a tenured "professor" of a department of a large university - sociology and "gender studies", which actually means feminism studies, as only one gender is the victim and the other is the oppressor - and is invited by a very large, very mainstream American news outlet to write that. Clickbait certainly, but can you imagine the same news outlet, or any mainstream news outlet inviting a woman hating misogynist male professor to write similar? Never mind that an openly woman hating misogynist male wouldn't get to be a professor. Rightfully.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Response from a different feminist academic.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/what-the-professor-who-hates-men-missed/562496/

    Makes the sensible point that

    Is it really so illogical to hate men?”

    Yes, it is.

    It is always illogical to hate an entire group of people for behavior perpetrated by a subset of its members and actively opposed or renounced by literally millions of them


    It strikes me that the WP piece could well have been written by an anti feminist as a hit piece. It wasn’t but it has the same effect. Who is she trying to convince? Male feminist allies, supposedly. Nobody else. They are the ones who now have go give up their jobs and only vote for women and shut up and all kinds of self flagulating bull.

    It’s not going to convince male anti feminists. It can only antagonise male “allies”.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭iptba


    Maybe not a clear-cut example of anything except it sounds like women may be chosen over men next year.

    A lot less important than when full-time jobs are given out but the same forces may apply.
    MacGill Summer School director apologises for gender imbalance
    Joe Mulholland says organisers are ‘working progressively’ to address programme failings

    The founder of the MacGill Summer School has apologised for the lack of gender balance at this year’s conference, saying it was “working progressively” to amend the programme before next month’s event.

    Speaking to The Irish Times on Tuesday evening, Joe Mulholland, director of the school, defended the number of women speaking at the annual conference in Glenties, Co Donegal, saying he had done his best to ensure a fair representation but that at times it was difficult to find “the person with the correct aptitude for some of the topics that are discussed in sessions”.

    A draft programme of the event shows there are 45 male speakers and moderators compared to 15 female speakers and moderators.

    If that's one of the topics, I would expect more male than female experts though I am no expert on the topic.
    “It is our policy to have as many women as possible. Certain difficulties have to be taken into account. At times it is difficult to find the person with the correct aptitude for some of the topics that are discussed in sessions. An effort is always made to ensure as many women as possible are included,” he had said.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/macgill-summer-school-director-apologises-for-gender-imbalance-1.3537147


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    iptba wrote: »
    Maybe not a clear-cut example of anything except it sounds like women may be chosen over men next year.
    It's a clear cut example of the quota brigade using social blackmail tactics through the media, social or otherwise. The "Manel Watch" collective of Irish academics against the constant #manels & lack of #genderparity in Irish academia/history/arts/culture/politics/radio/TV go around outing conferences and such as being chaired by men. Which is fine, let them at it and if there is an actual imbalance of qualified people then point to it. Mind you I would suspect it's far more about shaking the rattle of gender balance than qualifications or quality.

    If a person man/woman/Tumblr member, is right for the job, ask/hire them. Hiring them prejudicially on the basis of their gender is the very thing these muppets are railing against.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    And yet outrageous sexism such as the (hopefully!) below is just fine - yip, all dem men were "pale & stale".



    https://twitter.com/peterkinvara/status/1008647991140519937


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    And yet, if you take a look on their website for the speakers from the 2018 archives, you'll find women listed. Definitely Less women than men, but honestly, is that really sexism? Why is there this need to find equal numbers for everything that involves men? After all, I've never seen any ranting about the lack of men in Kindergarten management committees or among carers unions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    And yet, if you take a look on their website for the speakers from the 2018 archives, you'll find women listed. Definitely Less women than men, but honestly, is that really sexism? Why is there this need to find equal numbers for everything that involves men? After all, I've never seen any ranting about the lack of men in Kindergarten management committees or among carers unions.

    Yeah, one of the 'anti Manel' tweets said that MacGill must think the gender breakdown reflects politics in 2018, or words to that effect...................well, it kinda does, doesn't it?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Why is there this need to find equal numbers for everything that involves men? After all, I've never seen any ranting about the lack of men in Kindergarten management committees or among carers unions.
    .. or the dirtier, less "middle class" jobs that are majority male. In essence "Equality" when it suits.

    As I've said before "feminism" has become very much a suburban white middle class politic, hence much of its focus. If you filter it through that lens it becomes much more understandable. Then again the suffragettes were very much of the landed gentry class and their focus followed that. Still even though they were mostly of that class they at least looked beyond it far more than current "feminists".

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Wibbs wrote: »
    or the dirtier, less "middle class" jobs that are majority male. In essence "Equality" when it suits.

    As I've said before "feminism" has become very much a suburban white middle class politic, hence much of its focus. If you filter it through that lens it becomes much more understandable. Then again the suffragettes were very much of the landed gentry class and their focus followed that. Still even though they were mostly of that class they at least looked beyond it far more than current "feminists".

    One of the main arguments of the repeal campaign was that women who can afford to travel to Britain for an abortion can already get an abortion.

    Legislating for abortion in Ireland would mean that poor women could also have an abortion. .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Wibbs wrote: »
    .. or the dirtier, less "middle class" jobs that are majority male. In essence "Equality" when it suits.

    As I've said before "feminism" has become very much a suburban white middle class politic, hence much of its focus. If you filter it through that lens it becomes much more understandable. Then again the suffragettes were very much of the landed gentry class and their focus followed that. Still even though they were mostly of that class they at least looked beyond it far more than current "feminists".

    Agreed, there's "Women in Surgery". "Women in Business" etc, where is the outrage about women being under-represented in the fields of refuse collection, grave digging and deep sea fishing ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Agreed, there's "Women in Surgery". "Women in Business" etc, where is the outrage about women being under-represented in the fields of refuse collection, grave digging and deep sea fishing ?

    Would you be happier if they started campaigning to get more women into jobs where they’re under represented? If you saw them successfully lobby to get more women into grave digging, refuse collection and deep sea fishing, would you wipe your brow and say ‘phew. I’m glad that hypocrisy is over’?

    Somehow I doubt it.

    There are plenty of men’s business groups. The presidents club was running for years as an all Male event. Until they ballsed it up by sexually assaulting the staff. Or maybe o should say the staff ballsed it up by exposing that they were sexually assaulted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    There are plenty of men’s business groups. The presidents club was running for years as an all Male event. Until they ballsed it up by sexually assaulting the staff. Or maybe o should say the staff ballsed it up by exposing that they were sexually assaulted.

    Lets not drag that mess back up. It will only get messy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Would you be happier if they started campaigning to get more women into jobs where they’re under represented? If you saw them successfully lobby to get more women into grave digging, refuse collection and deep sea fishing, would you wipe your brow and say ‘phew. I’m glad that hypocrisy is over’?

    Somehow I doubt it.

    There are plenty of men’s business groups. The presidents club was running for years as an all Male event. Until they ballsed it up by sexually assaulting the staff. Or maybe o should say the staff ballsed it up by exposing that they were sexually assaulted.

    No, because for feminists the hypocrisy will never be over. Too many people have a good living from the fake idea of gender inequality and will not give up that gravy train any time soon.

    There are failures who instead of owning up, working harder and succeeding play the victim and blame the non-existent "patriarchy". E.g. why does the woman next to me earn 7,000 less ? Because I've been doing it for 29 years and she's had four spells out to have children, each 2 years minimum. (I'm female btw if it matters).

    And the Presidents Club debacle ? You phrased that wrong.

    It should have been "feminists have changed what sexual assault means so that where it was a shorthand for assault short of penetration, it's now anything untowards".

    Basically what girls in my teenage years (late 80s) would have been met with a slap and a warning not to get fresh, is now met with victimhood, lawsuits and hashtags. As a woman that's not progress to me.


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    Would you be happier if they started campaigning to get more women into jobs where they’re under represented? If you saw them successfully lobby to get more women into grave digging, refuse collection and deep sea fishing, would you wipe your brow and say ‘phew. I’m glad that hypocrisy is over’?

    Somehow I doubt it.

    Actually, I would. It would be nice to see some movement towards genuine equality, since women's groups have made such a big deal about the % of a gender in a job or industry.
    There are plenty of men’s business groups. The presidents club was running for years as an all Male event. Until they ballsed it up by sexually assaulting the staff. Or maybe o should say the staff ballsed it up by exposing that they were sexually assaulted.

    Yup, there are plenty of men's only groups, up until the point, that a woman complains about it. Then, declarations of discrimination, and misrepresentation abound. Whereas when it comes to female only groups, there are plenty of justifications as to why women need a safe place to congregate. The numbers of gender only groups around is heavily leaning towards female-only.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Actually, I would. It would be nice to see some movement towards genuine equality, since women's groups have made such a big deal about the % of a gender in a job or industry.



    Yup, there are plenty of men's only groups, up until the point, that a woman complains about it. Then, declarations of discrimination, and misrepresentation abound. Whereas when it comes to female only groups, there are plenty of justifications as to why women need a safe place to congregate. The numbers of gender only groups around is heavily leaning towards female-only.

    Once told that women need a women only environment so they are not physically judged by men.

    Several women I know have referred to both Beyonce and Kim Kardashian as "fat".

    The men are either "who ?" or drooling!!

    There's judgement about women's bodies alright but it's rarely coming from men.


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    Once told that women need a women only environment so they are not physically judged by men.

    Several women I know have referred to both Beyonce and Kim Kardashian as "fat".

    The men are either "who ?" or drooling!!

    There's judgement about women's bodies alright but it's rarely coming from men.

    Oh, I'd guess plenty of men make remarks about a woman's body... but really? Are we so insecure that we can't simply deal with it?

    I've had people from both genders remark on my extreme skinniness. my shaking disorder,my bad teeth, etc. There doesn't seem to be any inhibition against judging and passing on observations about men. What do you do? Realise that most peoples observations aren't worth the air they're using and move on with your life. The numbers of people you meet with valid and worthwhile opinions could be listed on a single page.

    We really are encouraging a society of people who are weak against everything, unable to deal with "negative" observations or competition. It boggles the mind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Would you be happier if they started campaigning to get more women into jobs where they’re under represented? If you saw them successfully lobby to get more women into grave digging, refuse collection and deep sea fishing, would you wipe your brow and say ‘phew. I’m glad that hypocrisy is over’?

    Somehow I doubt it.

    Actually, I would. It would be nice to see some movement towards genuine equality, since women's groups have made such a big deal about the % of a gender in a job or industry.
    There are plenty of men’s business groups. The presidents club was running for years as an all Male event. Until they ballsed it up by sexually assaulting the staff. Or maybe o should say the staff ballsed it up by exposing that they were sexually assaulted.

    Yup, there are plenty of men's only groups, up until the point, that a woman complains about it. Then, declarations of discrimination, and misrepresentation abound. Whereas when it comes to female only groups, there are plenty of justifications as to why women need a safe place to congregate. The numbers of gender only groups around is heavily leaning towards female-only.

    Ha. I don’t believe for a second that you’d be happier if feminists pushed for more women in s broader range of jobs. They’re good at getting gender quotas etc. enacted. Careful what you wish for.

    I really hint think the presidents club event was ended because women complained that it was men only. I can safely say I’ve never heard of the presidents club until the last one so I wouldn’t have heard any objections to it either.

    Even if there were objections to it in previous years,it hadn’t stopped it from going ahead. It was the accusations of sexual assault that that finished it, not the fact that it was an all male event


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Ha. I don’t believe for a second that you’d be happier if feminists pushed for more women in s broader range of jobs. They’re good at getting gender quotas etc. enacted. Careful what you wish for.

    I really hint think the presidents club event was ended because women complained that it was men only. I can safely say I’ve never heard of the presidents club until the last one so I wouldn’t have heard any objections to it either.

    Even if there were objections to it in previous years,it hadn’t stopped it from going ahead. It was the accusations of sexual assault that that finished it, not the fact that it was an all male event

    A phrase you won't be able to us within a decade I'd say unless it's in a prison. You know cos women shouldn't be locked up, poor chickens.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/01/why-we-should-close-womens-prisons-and-treat-their-crimes-more-fairly

    "Fairly" - hahahaha!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Oh, I'd guess plenty of men make remarks about a woman's body... but really? Are we so insecure that we can't simply deal with it?

    I've had people from both genders remark on my extreme skinniness. my shaking disorder,my bad teeth, etc. There doesn't seem to be any inhibition against judging and passing on observations about men. What do you do? Realise that most peoples observations aren't worth the air they're using and move on with your life. The numbers of people you meet with valid and worthwhile opinions could be listed on a single page.

    We really are encouraging a society of people who are weak against everything, unable to deal with "negative" observations or competition. It boggles the mind.

    True. In the 60s my mother (then aged 26) was in London and someone grabbed her backside.

    She turned round, decked him one (no girly slap thank you!) and went on with her day.

    Women these days would be straight on Twitter hashtagging away and claiming to be a sexual assault survivor.

    I do not mean to make light of suffering but children committing suicide due to name caling ? You should have heard some of the things I was called in school.

    Did the teachers help ? No, sometimes the nuns joined in! #evil

    Result ? At 48 I am now well adjusted, able to cope with most day to day issues. I doubt that in 30 years or so we'll be able to say that about today's teenagers. Sadly.


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    True. In the 60s my mother (then aged 26) was in London and someone grabbed her backside.

    She turned round, decked him one (no girly slap thank you!) and went on with her day.

    Women these days would be straight on Twitter hashtagging away and claiming to be a sexual assault survivor.

    My mother talked about the time she spent dating before being with my father. She's very honest about her experiences. She knew what would happen if she went anywhere with a guy in a car. She was taught to be careful around men, not because they were evil, but simply because men wanted sex. And she lived her life that way. So, she didn't spend time with men she didn't know, she made sure she had other friends nearby, she didn't drink too much with strangers. In other words, she took precautions.
    I do not mean to make light of suffering but children committing suicide due to name caling ? You should have heard some of the things I was called in school.

    Did the teachers help ? No, sometimes the nuns joined in! #evil

    Result ? At 48 I am now well adjusted, able to cope with most day to day issues. I doubt that in 30 years or so we'll be able to say that about today's teenagers. Sadly.

    I was bullied physically and mentally in both primary and secondary school. It was relentless. And I tried to kill myself twice. I don't underestimate the harm that emotional attacks can make on a child. It's evil, and frankly, I'm not surprised that children seek escape.

    However, it's not anything new. In spite of psychologists or parenting associations trying to make it sound like it's gotten worse, it's simply evolved. Social media gives an extra dimension to it. But then, without the internet, also provided its own harsher dimensions that many children don't have to experience today.

    Honestly, I would place more blame on changing social values and a decrease in traditional parenting as being more of an issue. I had a curfew at 9pm every school day. My parents always knew where I was right up until I was 16. If they couldn't be there to respond, other parents were nominated. There was a community of people willing to spend that extra time to watch the children. As a child and teen it was invasive and horrible, but I can certainly see the lack of it today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,906 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09



    A phrase you won't be able to us within a decade I'd say unless it's in a prison. You know cos women shouldn't be locked up, poor chickens.

    Won’t be able to say ‘all Male event’ within a decade? That sounds a bit... unhinged, tbh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    My mother talked about the time she spent dating before being with my father. She's very honest about her experiences. She knew what would happen if she went anywhere with a guy in a car. She was taught to be careful around men, not because they were evil, but simply because men wanted sex. And she lived her life that way. So, she didn't spend time with men she didn't know, she made sure she had other friends nearby, she didn't drink too much with strangers. In other words, she took precautions.



    I was bullied physically and mentally in both primary and secondary school. It was relentless. And I tried to kill myself twice. I don't underestimate the harm that emotional attacks can make on a child. It's evil, and frankly, I'm not surprised that children seek escape.

    However, it's not anything new. In spite of psychologists or parenting associations trying to make it sound like it's gotten worse, it's simply evolved. Social media gives an extra dimension to it. But then, without the internet, also provided its own harsher dimensions that many children don't have to experience today.

    Honestly, I would place more blame on changing social values and a decrease in traditional parenting as being more of an issue. I had a curfew at 9pm every school day. My parents always knew where I was right up until I was 16. If they couldn't be there to respond, other parents were nominated. There was a community of people willing to spend that extra time to watch the children. As a child and teen it was invasive and horrible, but I can certainly see the lack of it today.

    Jesus, the sheer relief at 4pm, or weekends or BLISS - summer!

    I developed a serious phobia of the That's Life themetune as a kid because it signified end of Sunday and bed time.

    Imagine having to deal with them online ??? I would crack up.


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    Jesus, the sheer relief at 4pm, or weekends or BLISS - summer!

    I developed a serious phobia of the That's Life themetune as a kid because it signified end of Sunday and bed time.

    Imagine having to deal with them online ??? I would crack up.

    I'm from a midlands town. Summer didn't stop anything. When I was young, you knew everyone and everyone knew you. The population of my hometown hasn't increased much although there are plenty of new faces now, but that sense of being observed is pretty much gone now.

    I'll give an example. I lost my virginity in the woods behind my school, and someone saw us. When I arrived home that day, my parents were sitting at the kitchen table with a large box of condoms along with a speech on personal responsibility. Not the basic birds and bees story but an introduction into STDs and how my life would be ruined by an unplanned pregnancy. They didn't ask me not to have sex again.. they simply asked me to "man up". Take responsibility.


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