Dublin's 24h bus services

AngryLips · 15-11-2019 9:16am

So did the 24-hour service start already?

Qrt · 15-11-2019 3:45pm

Can someone fix the grammar in the thread title? Genuinely feel the blood pressure going higher when I see it.

bk · 15-11-2019 3:52pm

Qrt wrote: »

Can someone fix the grammar in the thread title? Genuinely feel the blood pressure going higher when I see it.

Done

punisher5112 · 15-11-2019 10:17pm

AngryLips wrote: »

So did the 24-hour service start already?

No it's not but shortly.....

15 on 30th November

jamo2oo9 · 16-11-2019 4:30pm

Is the 24hr bus service definitely going ahead? I don't see any official statement from NTA or Dublin Bus about it. DB normally announce schedule changes 4/5 weeks in advance and so far, nothing.

devnull · 16-11-2019 4:34pm

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Is the 24hr bus service definitely going ahead? I don't see any official statement from NTA or Dublin Bus about it. DB normally announce schedule changes 4/5 weeks in advance and so far, nothing.

Nothing has been officially confirmed yet, but the plan was to go live on 1st December, subject to everything falling into place and everyone involved being ready in time to commence services.

Peregrine · 17-11-2019 12:14pm

NTA sent out a press release: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/dublins-first-24-hour-bus-routes-announced-964759.html

bg07 · 17-11-2019 12:19pm

Are any other routes likely to follow soon or are further expansion subject to an extended trial of the first routes?

Presume a N11 route is the next priority?

thomasj · 17-11-2019 1:00pm

I got a mail from the NTA saying that the 39A is on the list of routes to become 24 hours in 2020.

punisher5112 · 17-11-2019 1:04pm

Donnybrook are voting on the new 15 bill this week.

They are rushing this in as so close to Christmas staff won't strike and the bill is absolutely terrible.

I believe there are breaks in the city at around 1am, 2am and 3am.

The duties finish back in the garage.

4 B rota duties will be gone and start times will be earlier.

Walk around check on a Sunday starts around 7 am this will now be around 4 or 4.30am instead.

The duties were expected to be work outs by most of us but it ain't so and it actually is just another increase in work load.

We are now driving much longer routes then ever, more traffic then ever, more aggressive passengers and other road users, new dangerous pass laws for cyclists but yet they put themselves at risk passing on bends, turns, pulling into bus stops, driver seats are an absolutely shocking design with most causing severe leg and back pain, longer duties then ever before and much longer spread out so your whole day/night is gone.

So much more but the work life balance was an issue that was brought up at the last strike but it fell on deaf ears and yet the company took more perks and conditions which have been under constant threat for years.

Lean management was one term side tracked in and this is causing most issues.

Drivers are more and more stressed then ever before and the job has very very little job satisfaction among other issues.

Things have changed so much for the worse.

Peregrine · 17-11-2019 1:16pm

bg07 wrote: »

Are any other routes likely to follow soon or are further expansion subject to an extended trial of the first routes?

Presume a N11 route is the next priority?

I believe the plan is to go 24hrs on all the spines.

39A, 4 etc. probably next in line.

stephenjmcd · 17-11-2019 2:24pm

Peregrine wrote: »

I believe the plan is to go 24hrs on all the spines.

39A, 4 etc. probably next in line.

Wouldnt think the 4 would go 24hrs.
Your more likely to see the 39a and one of 145 or 155

Qrt · 17-11-2019 9:31pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Wouldnt think the 4 would go 24hrs.
Your more likely to see the 39a and one of 145 or 155

I can see the 27 on the southside going 24 hour too but not for a while.

thomasj · 17-11-2019 9:46pm

Qrt wrote:

I can see the 27 on the southside going 24 hour too but not for a while.

Im not so sure ?

Don't get me wrong Tallaght will get a 24 hour route, but 15 already covers most of the Northside leg of the 27 and sure wasn't it said here the plan was for a 24 hour route per branch?

Peregrine · 17-11-2019 9:53pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Wouldnt think the 4 would go 24hrs.
Your more likely to see the 39a and one of 145 or 155

Sorry, yes, 155 might be more likely. I was only thinking of the 4 corridor.

p_haugh · 17-11-2019 11:08pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Wouldnt think the 4 would go 24hrs.
Your more likely to see the 39a and one of 145 or 155

The 155 would be more likely as it covers the 4 north of the Liffey and the 145 south of it. Also there would be no need to serve Heston at that hour as no trains run during the night.
The 7 could be done to cover the southern routing of the 4 since it terminates on town anyways.

cgcsb · 17-11-2019 11:31pm

They'll probably want to keep the 24hr routes as close to the future spines as possible. If only the spines minus the g and h spines plus the O route operate 24hr that's a pretty solid night time network. Taxi ranks will probably spring up at suburban hubs rather than cause traffic jams on dame st at 4 am

Qrt · 18-11-2019 1:53am

thomasj wrote: »

Im not so sure ?

Don't get me wrong Tallaght will get a 24 hour route, but 15 already covers most of the Northside leg of the 27 and sure wasn't it said here the plan was for a 24 hour route per branch?

I did say “on the southside”

CIARAN_BOYLE · 18-11-2019 8:08am

While a 24 hour bus service could be great I do feel that the core business (ie service during rush hour) really needs to improve before Dublin bus and nta invest in a 24 hour service.

Mind you I am biased as I am at present standing in the cold as 3 timetabled busses have failed to arrive.

Qrt · 18-11-2019 9:16am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

While a 24 hour bus service could be great I do feel that the core business (ie service during rush hour) really needs to improve before Dublin bus and nta invest in a 24 hour service.

Mind you I am biased as I am at present standing in the cold as 3 timetabled busses have failed to arrive.

This must be the 40? It’s always the 40.

Xterminator · 18-11-2019 10:42am

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

While a 24 hour bus service could be great I do feel that the core business (ie service during rush hour) really needs to improve before Dublin bus and nta invest in a 24 hour service.

Mind you I am biased as I am at present standing in the cold as 3 timetabled busses have failed to arrive.

the two are not exclusive. there is no reason to halt 24hr busses until busconnects plans are bedded in.

I suspect you don't work shift work, and hence see the 24hrs bus service as a nice extra you might use twice a year. But more and more people work late/early and this service will make a real difference to their quality of life.

devnull · 18-11-2019 12:18pm

Full press release from the NTA:
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/two-bus-routes-in-dublin-go-24-hours/

Two Dublin Bus routes will become 24-hour services on Sunday 1 December.

Both the 41 and the 15 will operate on an around-the-clock basis from that date as part of the Transport for Ireland public transport network.

The 41 runs from the city centre to the airport and on to Swords, while the 15 runs from Ballycullen Road, through the city centre, on to Clongriffin.

Up to now, these services have run from early morning to late evening Monday to Saturday, with shorter hours of operation on Sunday.

From December 1, daytime frequency on the 15 and the 41 will improve, and they will run at a 30-minute frequency throughout the night from 12 midnight to 05.00.

The fare structure will remain unchanged, which means there will be no additional charge to the customer for travelling late at night.

TFI Leap Card, Free Travel Card and cash will all continue to be accepted as payment by drivers.

NTA CEO Anne Graham said:“The manner in which Dublin functions as a city has shifted gradually but dramatically in recent years. It is no longer the case that city shuts down at 11 or 12 at night.

The patterns of work and socialising have changed. For instance, the success in attracting to the city, major employers who are headquartered many time-zones away, serving markets around the world, means that commercial and economic activity in Dublin continues around the clock.

The airport has become busier and busier, in recent years, and is itself a major employer. There is a clear demand for more transport options to the airport, not just for their passengers, but for the thousands of people whose jobs require them to be at work early in the morning or late into the night.

These two 24-hour routes are a clear indication of the commitment by NTA and Dublin Bus to providing a public transport service that reflects the changing city.”

Dublin Bus CEO Ray Coyne said: “The introduction of 24 hour services on Routes 15 and 41 is a significant opportunity to continue the growth and success of Dublin Bus and is an important step forward for our city.

Our 24-hour bus services will bring the many benefits of public transport to even more people and businesses including mobility, safety, sustainability and inclusion.

These services will help unlock the full potential of Dublin’s vibrant and growing night-time economy, while also providing early morning journeys into the city centre for our commuters, further assisting in the fight against congestion.”

cgcsb · 18-11-2019 2:32pm

Would have been great if they mentioned other routes in the press release for 24hr operations in the new year. The 39 and any of the n11 routes would be most welcome. I assume there'll be night luas and darts this December?

markpb · 18-11-2019 3:15pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

While a 24 hour bus service could be great I do feel that the core business (ie service during rush hour) really needs to improve before Dublin bus and nta invest in a 24 hour service.

The peak time bus service is probably reaching the limits of what is possible without massive investment in infrastructure, ticketing and buses. All of those things will take a long time to deliver and we know they're in progress so there's no reason not to look at other improvements that are quicker to implement.

haulier · 18-11-2019 3:23pm

The 155 would have staff facilities in BRAY Depot during the night - as far as I'm aware Bray is open 24/7

bk · 18-11-2019 3:39pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

While a 24 hour bus service could be great I do feel that the core business (ie service during rush hour) really needs to improve before Dublin bus and nta invest in a 24 hour service.

Mind you I am biased as I am at present standing in the cold as 3 timetabled busses have failed to arrive.

While you are absolutely correct that peak time services desperately need improving and I've no doubt that the NTA and DB know that very well, unfortunately the only real way to improve the peak time services is with the BusConnects infrastructure plan, to give more dedicated bus lanes, etc. And that sort of development takes years to implement unfortunately.

In the mean time, there isn't any reason why they can't work on other, easier, projects in parallel, which help build out a better overall bus service.

In the past few months we have seen them greatly increase frequency off peak and weekend, which was badly needed to create an all day service. We are now starting to see a proper night time service. Over the next year or two we are likely to see the 90 minute ticket, new ticketing options, work towards eliminating driver interaction, cashless buses, all buses having dual doors, new orbital routes, reorganised routes under busconnects, etc.

All these projects are needed, in addition to peak time improvements and there is no reason why all can't be advanced.

dfx- · 18-11-2019 3:56pm

Qrt wrote: »

This must be the 40? It’s always the 40.

27 is a good bet for this too. Usually bookended by the arrival of a 27C.

thomasj wrote: »

I got a mail from the NTA saying that the 39A is on the list of routes to become 24 hours in 2020.

You'll have an equal chance of getting a 39A at 3am as you do now at 9pm

thomasj · 18-11-2019 4:07pm

dfx- wrote:

You'll have an equal chance of getting a 39A at 3am as you do now at 9pm

Haha :rofl:

punisher5112 · 18-11-2019 4:09pm

haulier wrote: »

The 155 would have staff facilities in BRAY Depot during the night - as far as I'm aware Bray is open 24/7

There would be nowhere for to park the bus.

The yard would be full.

Huge risk leaving at the station at them times the bus would be destroyed.

Most 2019 SG ticket equipment fails as soon as there is a cash fare given. Has to be reset to then go again the next person.

Then when someone wants to pay for another on LEAP it crashes also....

devnull · 18-11-2019 4:59pm

Timetables now up

15
https://www.dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/152/

41
https://www.dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/4121/

41 gets a frequency boost at other times as well.

Dublin's 24h bus services

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