ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

FTA69 · 14-02-2019 11:24pm #1

So one of the three British teenagers who went to join ISIS at 15 has turned up at a refugee camp four years later and said she wants to return home. She is nine months pregnant with her third child, the first two supposedly dying of malnutrition, and wants to return to London in order to access the NHS.

Initially I sympathised with these girls, thinking they’d been groomed online and brainwashed and had made a terrible mistake but listening to the interview with the woman here - it’s chilling. She’s now a 19 year old woman, saying she regrets nothing, how severed heads in the bin unfazed her as “they were enemies of Islam” and how she “saluted” those remaining in the last bit of ISIS territory.

As far as I’m concerned she should be bloody left out there, but a mate of mine who fought against ISIS was opposed to this correctly asking why the Kurds should have put up with these foreign maniacs?

Unbelievable that some people are suggesting we should be tolerant or sympathetic to this woman.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/14/shamima-begum-friends-kadiza-sultana-amira-abase-joined-isis-syria

Ipso · 14-02-2019 11:26pm

The only reason I'd let her back is if she had any worthwhile intelligence to offer on any crazies, other than that leave her in the pig pen.

Underground · 14-02-2019 11:26pm

Seems a no brainer to me, and a classic case of "you've made your bed, now lie in it".

Atlantic Dawn · 14-02-2019 11:26pm

Did she not have travel inshurdance?

Damien360 · 14-02-2019 11:30pm

She is coming back to have her baby under the care of the NHS. Ridiculous that she wants to support the very thing that destroys democracy and then wants to avail of the good services paid by taxpayers of said democracy. She should be refused admission or at the very least incarcerated for membership of an illegal organisation.

[Deleted User] · 14-02-2019 11:30pm

Mixed feelings in this. She was only a kid and should be given a chance, but it does seem like she is unrepentant.

I’m pretty sure she will make it back to London and be given some help, but as was said, she needs to be kept very low key to avoid being a magnet for crazies, be they the jihad type or BNP type.

FourFourRED · 14-02-2019 11:31pm

Wow, this story is about to blow up

jack of all · 14-02-2019 11:31pm

Off with her head.

NIMAN · 14-02-2019 11:33pm

How would they treat a male who did what she did?

Can see her getting special treatment cos she's a female

FTA69 · 14-02-2019 11:35pm

Aegir wrote: »

Mixed feelings in this. She was only a kid and should be given a chance, but it does seem like she is unrepentant.

I’m pretty sure she will make it back to London and be given some help, but as was said, she needs to be kept very low key to avoid being a magnet for crazies, be they the jihad type or BNP type.

Mate if she had her hands up saying, “I was groomed, it was awful. What a terrible decision I made. This is dire etc etc” I’d suggest treating her with compassion. But she isn’t.

Some people seem to be looking at the silly 15 year old on the camera stills and not listening to the adult in front of them condoning beheadings and saluting ISIS

upinsmoke · 14-02-2019 11:37pm

Probably train the child to be a suicide bomber when back, and I'm not joking

punisher5112 · 14-02-2019 11:38pm

The UK really needs to check themselves and here too.

We are way to soft and easy.

dilallio · 14-02-2019 11:38pm

What sort of life did these three 15 year old girls have in London, to believe that moving to a war zone and marrying soldiers they had never met would bring fulfillment?

awec · 14-02-2019 11:39pm

Bring her back, look after the child and give it every chance in life.

And give her a long holiday at her majesty's pleasure.

FTA69 · 14-02-2019 11:39pm

dilallio wrote: »

What sort of life did these three 15 year old girls have in London, to believe that moving to a war zone and marrying soldiers they had never met would bring fulfillment?

Normal enough from what I can gather. A lot of these jihadis come from moderate and normal families.

Atoms for Peace · 14-02-2019 11:40pm

She's an unrepentant Islam extremist so let her stew in her own ****. If you want to take advantage of western modernity leave your superstitions in the backwards hellhole they belong.

[Deleted User] · 14-02-2019 11:41pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Mate if she had her hands up saying, “I was groomed, it was awful. What a terrible decision I made. This is dire etc etc” I’d suggest treating her with compassion. But she isn’t.

Some people seem to be looking at the silly 15 year old on the camera stills and not listening to the adult in front of them condoning beheadings and saluting ISIS

I know, she was quite chilling. Does a country just dump an 18 year old girl though?

Like I said, I have mixed feelings in this, maybe I’m just looking at this from the perspective of a father with a daughter a similar age to what she was when she went.

FTA69 · 14-02-2019 11:42pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

She's an unrepentant Islam extremist so let her stew in her own ****. If you want to take advantage of western modernity leave your superstitions in the backwards hellhole they belong.

Why should the Kurds have to put up with mad Brits and French and Bosnians? I wouldn’t blame them for wanting to send them all home.

[Deleted User] · 14-02-2019 11:43pm

Preferably in a box.

Dyr · 14-02-2019 11:44pm

dilallio wrote: »

What sort of life did these three 15 year old girls have in London, to believe that moving to a war zone and marrying soldiers they had never met would bring fulfillment?

A good strict islamic one I imagine.

Harry Palmr · 14-02-2019 11:44pm

awec wrote: »

Bring her back, look after the child and give it every chance in life.

And give her a long holiday at her majesty's pleasure.

That is exactly what to do, her child is the innocent party in all this. A message needs sending out - if you sign up for the end of days expect to end your days in a hail gunfire or a cell.

smeal · 14-02-2019 11:45pm

I’m not sure if anyone here watched the BBC series The State last year (highly recommend) but this reminds me of that.

She should be allowed come back to have her baby (perhaps even in a prison) but then the baby should remain with her family who seem to be anti-ISIS and she should then be sent back out to that desert hell. She is a danger to her country.

Immortal Starlight · 14-02-2019 11:46pm

Seeing heads that had been hacked off innocent people and thrown in a bin didn't faze her. No way she should be allowed back in Britain.

LeBash · 14-02-2019 11:47pm

In the 90s the Brits refused to try to get their own journalists back that were captured during wars but this girl went off willingly to join ISIS and will get back.

They should offer to take the child back and give it the care it needs. No need to take her back with some of those quotes.

GinAndBitter · 14-02-2019 11:48pm

The Kurds should just execute any Isis fighters they capture.

[Deleted User] · 14-02-2019 11:48pm

It’s the lack of remorse that annoys me. She comes across as educated too so can’t play the silly little girl role. She still believes that her actions are justified.

As a British citizen she cannot be refused entry but there will be nobody going in to save her either. She’s got to make her own way to a safe country first so I doubt (at 9 months pregnant) she will be giving birth under the supervision of the NHS.

Harry Palmr · 14-02-2019 11:52pm

Meanwhile in Bethnal Green

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/14/let-shamima-begum-come-back-say-bethnal-green-residents

Shakil, 18, a student who didn’t want to give his last name, on Thursday said Begum should be welcomed home. “She should feel safe to live here. She should get protection from the police from people who might not want her back.”

The dozen people who spoke to Guardian in Bethnal Green all said Begum should be allowed to return home.

Amina Mohamed, 52, a housewife, who has lived in the area for 16 years, said: “I was so shocked when I heard she went to Syria. She’s quite young and she’s a girl. I was so worried about her. She was a baby, she didn’t know what was going on there. People played a game with her and brainwashed her. She was a child.”

She added the government should do all it could to bring Begum back to east London. “It wasn’t just her decision to go, they tricked her. It’s not her fault. No one can make such a decision when they’re 15.”

Salaga, 49, also a housewife, said the government could not ignore the fact Begum was just 15 when she left to join the Isis in Syria.

“When she went to Syria, she was underage. She didn’t know what was right or what was wrong. The government should help her come back. If she was over the age of 18 when she initially went, I wouldn’t be calling for her to come back. But she was a child.”

Amirani · 14-02-2019 11:54pm

“When she went to Syria, she was underage. She didn’t know what was right or what was wrong. The government should help her come back. If she was over the age of 18 when she initially went, I wouldn’t be calling for her to come back. But she was a child.”

Every word of that is nonsense.

Gatling · 14-02-2019 11:58pm

She should be made completely stateless ,let the Kurds deal with her or shoot her in back of the head,
Her and the many others like her are not Victims here ,

Monkeynut · 15-02-2019 12:01am

Poor baby is probably only in her, for an attempt to get pity and a return to the UK.

tuxy · 15-02-2019 12:08am

Gatling wrote: »

She should be made completely stateless ,let the Kurds deal with her or shoot her in back of the head,

The UK should break international law?

ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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