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    #722
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    On the side of every trailer in every building site


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    #723
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Bring Frank back... I can imagine the photo ops now, him in full PPE fighting covid

    No thanks. And with his interview in the Champion after losing his seat he needed both even running in Celbridge again.


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    #724
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    Patser wrote: »
    Slightly on/off topic -

    Given the current lock down, interesting to see Lawless tweeting away (although having pointless spat with SF at times), looking active, on radio

    Cronin, tweeting away, meeting businesses, sniping a bit but so what, on radio

    Murphy, out meeting people and businesses, tweeting and retweeting, on radio

    Durkan - nothing, not a single comment

    And I say this as someone who gave him number 1 last election




    Edit: and typical, as soon as I post I see he's tweeted 30 mins ago.....
    I'd be more inclined to vote for him so.
    Politicians banging on on twitter all day is the last thing I want. Reada Cronin seems to spend more time on her phone retweeting crap than actually doing any work.


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    #725
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Kilcock, celbridge and leixlip getting a very raw deal... This is the number of additional cases in the past 2 months


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    #726
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Did they add the two DEDs for Celbridge? Celbridge and Donaghcumper. Very easy to miss there's the second one.


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    #727
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    L1011 wrote: »
    Did they add the two DEDs for Celbridge? Celbridge and Donaghcumper. Very easy to miss there's the second one.

    Somebody had included in a follow up post. IIRC donaghcumper had no additional cases since June.. still on 55 (I think)


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    #728
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Frank has taken twitter and facebook to court over untrue and defamatory posts about his private life during the campaign.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/former-td-claims-he-was-defamed-in-social-media-posts-prior-to-election-1043220.html

    What are the chances of him getting the actual posters identities?


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    #729
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Frank has taken twitter and facebook to court over untrue and defamatory posts about his private life during the campaign.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/former-td-claims-he-was-defamed-in-social-media-posts-prior-to-election-1043220.html

    What are the chances of him getting the actual posters identities?

    Very strong, I’d say if the Lisa’s Lust List court case is anything to go by.

    I hope the cowards are weeded out and dealt with.


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    #730
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Thanks Anewme, I hadn't heard of that case before, I had to google, its quite serious despite the name.


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    #731
    buffalo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Case is ongoing: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/facebook-indicates-difficulties-complying-with-order-sought-by-former-ff-td-alleging-defamation-1.4437789
    Facebook has not been provided with a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) or web address regarding an allegedly defamatory post made about the former TD on Facebook, he said.

    Facebook requires the URL so it identify the alleged poster and comply with orders concerning the account, he said


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    #732
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Facebook is definitely shrugging its shoulders and he is right to pursue it.


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    #733
    buffalo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭buffalo


    anewme wrote: »
    Facebook is definitely shrugging its shoulders and he is right to pursue it.

    If all he has is 'someone called Tony Lynch said something bad about me', but can't identify the post or the poster, it's a needle in a haystack for Facebook. I wonder if he has a screenshot or even the exact wording of the post?


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    #734
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    buffalo wrote: »
    If all he has is 'someone called Tony Lynch said something bad about me', but can't identify the post or the poster, it's a needle in a haystack for Facebook. I wonder if he has a screenshot or even the exact wording of the post?

    He would have to have shots, dates and times if a solicitor took it on I would think.

    Youd also go to that profile and get as many shots as you could of them, their family, friends, likes dislikes, work, etc

    Trolls are very stupid sometimes in their rush to abuse people and many have been traced because of this.


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    #735
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    So it's not true that Frank got the sack from the Mrs for being over friendly on the doors so to speak


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    #736
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Scoundrel wrote: »
    So it's not true that Frank got the sack from the Mrs for being over friendly on the doors so to speak

    That type of tittle tattle is why hes taking the case I suppose.


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    #737
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Case still quietly rumbling along. Facebook saying they know nothing.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/facebook-says-alleged-defamatory-post-about-former-td-has-been-deleted-1065261.html

    “We believe the post was permanently deleted. We can’t find it. Any attempt to identify the poster would be a speculative exercise,” Counsel said.

    Its interesting that I could post any kind of allegation on their platform and they will bear no responsibility for it.

    He seems to have got some details from twitter though.


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    #738
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Case still quietly rumbling along. Facebook saying they know nothing.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/facebook-says-alleged-defamatory-post-about-former-td-has-been-deleted-1065261.html

    “We believe the post was permanently deleted. We can’t find it. Any attempt to identify the poster would be a speculative exercise,” Counsel said.

    Its interesting that I could post any kind of allegation on their platform and they will bear no responsibility for it.

    He seems to have got some details from twitter though.


    Very surprised to learn that Facebook actually delete records as opposed to just marking them as inactive.


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    #739
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    If the associated account did a GDPR wipe it may basically be impossible to link any inactivated copy of the record back to any useful info.


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    #740
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    L1011 wrote: »
    If the associated account did a GDPR wipe it may basically be impossible to link any inactivated copy of the record back to any useful info.
    Very reasonable point. I suppose in that specific case one should wipe everything in a non recoverable way.


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    #741
    GavMan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭GavMan


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Very surprised to learn that Facebook actually delete records as opposed to just marking them as inactive.

    Given the amount of data their platform generates, I would be utterly shocked to learn that they don't delete data


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    #742
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Does show a potential flaw - say something you think could get you in trouble down the line then GDPR wipe the account once you think its been seen enough.


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    #743
    Lastblackdog
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Lastblackdog


    L1011 wrote: »
    Does show a potential flaw - say something you think could get you in trouble down the line then GDPR wipe the account once you think its been seen enough.

    So the lesson learnt is that if you find something objectionable then you should take a screen shot. If the offending item is subsequently deleted then, using the rules of "best evidence" your screen shot should be permissible. Better yet, get another person to also screen shot the item.


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    #744
    L1011
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    Lastblackdog wrote: »
    So the lesson learnt is that if you find something objectionable then you should take a screen shot. If the offending item is subsequently deleted then, using the rules of "best evidence" your screen shot should be permissible. Better yet, get another person to also screen shot the item.

    Still doesn't make the background info - IP, email address - that Facebook had come back from the great beyond.


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    #745
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40216247.html

    Still can't find the problematic Facebook content it seems, but a name is given here.


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    #746
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    He has one person identified and still searching for another.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40216424.html


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    #747
    Stealthirl
    Registered Users Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    The Celbridge politics page has been close/archived with the following announcement
    Due to unforeseen circumstances I am temporarily suspending the Celbridge Politics group. Thanks for your patience and understanding while I seek advice.
    Best regards, Treasa

    No idea if it's related but there was stuff posted there at the time and the sister page Maynooth politics is still up and running. I hope that Treasa is not being made a scapegoat here.


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    #748
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    He has one person identified and still searching for another.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40216424.html


    He claims to have one person identified. You don't need to provide an email address or a phone number to open a twitter account.


    The assertion has not be proven.


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    #749
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    He claims to have one person identified. You don't need to provide an email address or a phone number to open a twitter account.


    The assertion has not be proven.

    The person has admitted to publishing the information.


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    #750
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    Hang on he's suing someone who shared something on twitter from Facebook?? Is everyone who shared something in twitter now responsible for it? Do they have to fact check it?


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    #751
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Scoundrel wrote: »
    Hang on he's suing someone who shared something on twitter from Facebook?? Is everyone who shared something in twitter now responsible for it? Do they have to fact check it?

    If you are sharing defamatory material, is that itself not defamation?


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