General rip off examples

L1011 · 09-11-2019 6:39pm

high_king wrote: »

You can pretend what people have posted, pretend there is no issue, and then threaten people when they speak the truth . . but it won't change the truth, so ban whoever your going to ban with your little button.

You are abusively posting about a very minor issue and dragging conspiracy theories in too. So OK - don't post on this thread again

WishUWereHere · 10-11-2019 2:23am

high_king wrote: »

and whoosh over you head again . . another Turkey looking forward to Christmas dinner. The actual point you've your head in the sand about, is that we were promised and told we must believe that rounding down would be as common as rounding up, but in the rip off real world . .surprise . . surprise . .this isn't happening as plenty of posters have testified, with shops claiming they are not obliged to round down, but round up whenever it suits them.

And remember you, the customer, are within your rights to demand the 2-3 cents. Legally, the retailer MUST give all the change if you ask.

HeidiHeidi · 10-11-2019 9:16am

I bought generic paracetamol yesterday - €2.29, but I've bought it in chemists in the UK for 25p.

Which in itself is frankly slightly unbelievable, the box alone must cost nearly that! Nevertheless, they can manage it, what makes it nearly 1000% more expensive here, if I'm doing my maths right?

silver2020 · 10-11-2019 10:11am

WishUWereHere wrote: »

And remember you, the customer, are within your rights to demand the 2-3 cents. Legally, the retailer MUST give all the change if you ask.

incorrect

In fact, if you gave the retailer a €100 note for a €10 purchase, legally there is nothing whatsoever to force the retailer to return €90 change.

Good business practice does, but there is no such legal requirement

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 10-11-2019 10:19am

silver2020 wrote: »

incorrect

In fact, if you gave the retailer a €100 note for a €10 purchase, legally there is nothing whatsoever to force the retailer to return €90 change.

Good business practice does, but there is no such legal requirement

This is about rounding not change. You Sir are the incorrect one.

Seamai · 10-11-2019 10:25am

stefanovich wrote: »

48 euro per kilo Roquefort in Sheridans.

https://sheridanscheesemongers.com/product/roquefort-aoc/

Sheridan's have a counter in my local Dunne's, I'd never buy anything there, their prices are scandalous. I prefer Crozier Blue myself, not as expensive and made up the road in Tipperary.

Dav010 · 10-11-2019 10:26am

silver2020 wrote: »

incorrect

In fact, if you gave the retailer a €100 note for a €10 purchase, legally there is nothing whatsoever to force the retailer to return €90 change.

Good business practice does, but there is no such legal requirement

Rounding is voluntary for retailers and customers

nthclare · 10-11-2019 10:37am

We've been ripped off for years, if you think about it.

My local daybreak charges 1:70 for a coffee or cappachino, the shop down the road 2:70 for a regular coffee or cappachino.

This has been creeping in since the early 90's cd's in Ireland were 14 euro across the pond they were 9:99

The Newspapers in the UK were 50% cheaper back then too.

Pints were always cheaper.

I buy my fishing tackle such as hooks, swivels, beads,crimps and line from the UK online because I get nearly 60% more for my buck.

The government allow this because most of them come from a silver spoon background and have brothers, friends, cousins, in-laws running businesses.

So they'ed prefer to look after their own rather than the ordinary people.

It's gone so far now that to tackle this they'ed have to hit the reset button and put a stop to this.
And it ain't going to happen.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact we're being screened without the decency of a reach around.

I could go on and on.

Irish fishermen and farmer's who used to be the majority of people who were making money for decades.
The co-op s in the fishing industry were very attractive, I applied for an apprenticeship in Board Iasci Mhara in 1993 as a deckhand a few years before our fishing rights were decimated thankfully I got the degree in Horticulture instead.

A barman used to be on good wages, now you've people pulling pints like they're pouring a glass of water.
I stopped drinking in 2002 haven't had a drop since, but when I'm ordering a mineral and watch these numptys pour a pint it's cringe worthy.
You'd know the difference between a professional barman's or bar persons pint to something some one else who hasn't a clue about the significance of a well poured pint.

Jayzus I better stop I could write ye a thesis

Wanderer78 · 10-11-2019 10:39am

HeidiHeidi wrote:

I bought generic paracetamol yesterday - â‚¬2.29, but I've bought it in chemists in the UK for 25p.

Subsidised maybe?

Dav010 · 10-11-2019 10:44am

nthclare wrote: »

We've been ripped off for years, if you think about it.

My local daybreak charges 1:70 for a coffee or cappachino, the shop down the road 2:70 for a regular coffee or cappachino.

This has been creeping in since the early 90's cd's in Ireland were 14 euro across the pond they were 9:99

The Newspapers in the UK were 50% cheaper back then too.

Pints were always cheaper.

I buy my fishing tackle such as hooks, swivels, beads,crimps and line from the UK online because I get nearly 60% more for my buck.

The government allow this because most of them come from a silver spoon background and have brothers, friends, cousins, in-laws running businesses.

So they'ed prefer to look after their own rather than the ordinary people.

It's gone so far now that to tackle this they'ed have to hit the reset button and put a stop to this.
And it ain't going to happen.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact we're being screened without the decency of a reach around.

I could go on and on.

Irish fishermen and farmer's who used to be the majority of people who were making money for decades.
The co-op s in the fishing industry were very attractive, I applied for an apprenticeship in Board Iasci Mhara in 1993 as a deckhand a few years before our fishing rights were decimated thankfully I got the degree in Horticulture instead.

A barman used to be on good wages, now you've people pulling pints like they're pouring a glass of water.
I stopped drinking in 2002 haven't had a drop since, but when I'm ordering a mineral and watch these numptys pour a pint it's cringe worthy.
You'd know the difference between a professional barman's or bar persons pint to something some one else who hasn't a clue about the significance of a well poured pint.

Jayzus I better stop I could write ye a thesis

I’m not sure the Government can do anything but allow it. They cannot dictate what prices are charged, if they started doing that, it would be akin to communism. Differences in price between the UK and here are due to a number of factors like vat, tax, logistic costs, rent, insurance, labour costs, market size etc.

HeidiHeidi · 10-11-2019 10:54am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Subsidised maybe?

Maybe, but I can't imagine why it would be!

Maybe there is a logical explanation behind the massive price difference (something like the wildly differing tax regimes on alcohol ), but if there is I'd love to know what it is!

Wanderer78 · 10-11-2019 10:59am

HeidiHeidi wrote:

Maybe, but I can't imagine why it would be!

Its the only thing I can think of, as it would make sense, but I could be wrong, wouldn't surprise me if they were all made in the same factory, possibly in Ireland.

Ah tax is a funny one, and tax on highly addictive substances is even more strange, you d have to wonder, does it really achieve objectives

nthclare · 10-11-2019 11:05am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Its the only thing I can think of, as it would make sense, but I could be wrong, wouldn't surprise me if they were all made in the same factory, possibly in Ireland.

Ah tax is a funny one, and tax on highly addictive substances is even more strange, you d have to wonder, does it really achieve objectives

Well an addict will go to any lengths to satisfy the addiction, so they've that one summed up nicely.

Theses bell end's think they'ed play the moral Mary by saying to lay people, hiking the price of addictive substance's will stop them because they won't be able to afford it.

The know that an addict will do any thing to get their fix ANYTHING if it's within their moral compass.

The average person think's addiction can be cured with taxes and hiking up price's, but the marketing and actuaries and similar professional ilk know how to make money, and I mean big money.

The emperor's New clothes for sure.

Wanderer78 · 10-11-2019 11:08am

nthclare wrote:

Well an addict will go to any lengths to satisfy the addiction, so they've that one summed up nicely.

Taxation certainly won't solve addiction anyway, but it probably is an element to dealing with it, it alone is a disaster though, but it seems, that's what we re trying

McCrack · 10-11-2019 11:18am

dartboardio wrote: »

Definitely. Go into the local off licence to get some vodka and cigarettes for before a night out and end up spending €25

Went to the bagel factory today and had €5 change from €20 out of two bagels, one crisps and a soft drink

You really notice it when you go to other countries, anywhere really, Germany for example, transport is cheap as is food in supermarkets, alcohol, fags etc

Even UK, 8 pounds for a box of cigarettes. €13.50 here....

Well yes, youre buying excised items and garbage so expect to pay excessively for it

nthclare · 10-11-2019 11:23am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Taxation certainly won't solve addiction anyway, but it probably is an element to dealing with it, it alone is a disaster though, but it seems, that's what we re trying

Most smokers or exe addict's I know usually switch from the fags,drink and drug's to healthy living which is good.

But when you mix a pastime or hobby with an addictive personality, you've a great spender.

I often wonder is it our spending habits that are a bit off the wall too.

Give me 10,000 euro and a day in Dublin and I'd happily spend it on electronic goods, outdoor gear, clobber, I'm lusting for a pair of redwing iron rangers at the moment and two bellstaf biker Jackets, speaker's really warm sounding speaker's... Patagonia Jackets hiking Boots etc, chesterfield leather armchair s for the living room lol
A summer and winter Patagonia wetsuit would easily cost 1000 euro,along with gloves and other gorgeous smelling neoprene...

Then head to Henry's fishing tackle shop in Ballybock and buy a pair of new century tip tornado match rod's another 1000 euro or more easily...
Oh and I'd top it all off with a tattoo too...

Yes I love spending, I won't deny it I do.

I as well as anyone else love's nice things but quality...

Have you ever opened up a box of new electronic equipment such as a pair of high end speakers, or an amplifier just breathe in that smell of new home entertainment kit....it's like manna from heaven

electronics smell way better than a new car for sure...

10-11-2019 11:32am

nthclare wrote: »

Most smokers or exe addict's I know usually switch from the fags,drink and drug's to healthy living which is good.

But when you mix a pastime or hobby with an addictive personality, you've a great spender.

I often wonder is it our spending habits that are a bit off the wall too.

Give me 10,000 euro and a day in Dublin and I'd happily spend it on electronic goods, outdoor gear, clobber, I'm lusting for a pair of redwing iron rangers at the moment and two bellstaf biker Jackets, speaker's really warm sounding speaker's... Patagonia Jackets hiking Boots etc, chesterfield leather armchair s for the living room lol
A summer and winter Patagonia wetsuit would easily cost 1000 euro,along with gloves and other gorgeous smelling neoprene...

Then head to Henry's fishing tackle shop in Ballybock and buy a pair of new century tip tornado match rod's another 1000 euro or more easily...
Oh and I'd top it all off with a tattoo too...

Yes I love spending, I won't deny it I do.

I as well as anyone else love's nice things but quality...

Have you ever opened up a box of new electronic equipment such as a pair of high end speakers, or an amplifier just breathe in that smell of new home entertainment kit....it's like manna from heaven electronics smell way better than a new car for sure...

Totally off topic, why do you go for Patagonia wetsuits ? Are many brands not way better ?

duffman13 · 10-11-2019 11:37am

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I bought generic paracetamol yesterday - €2.29, but I've bought it in chemists in the UK for 25p.

€2.29 is probably for a pack of 12 in comparison 16 i think you Can get up north for 25p. Apparently it's an issue with licensing, they can't get their own brand ultra cheap generics in for whatever reason. If you go to Boots or Superdrug in the UK they have own brand everything really but the pharmacy industry here is fairly protected tbh. There is no push from Any of the big retailers to get the super cheap stuff here cause we will happily pay for the more expensive stuff. It's madness but not something that will change in the short term

10-11-2019 11:48am

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I bought generic paracetamol yesterday - €2.29, but I've bought it in chemists in the UK for 25p.

Which in itself is frankly slightly unbelievable, the box alone must cost nearly that! Nevertheless, they can manage it, what makes it nearly 1000% more expensive here, if I'm doing my maths right?

duffman13 wrote: »

€2.29 is probably for a pack of 12 in comparison 16 i think you Can get up north for 25p. Apparently it's an issue with licensing, they can't get their own brand ultra cheap generics in for whatever reason. If you go to Boots or Superdrug in the UK they have own brand everything really but the pharmacy industry here is fairly protected tbh. There is no push from Any of the big retailers to get the super cheap stuff here cause we will happily pay for the more expensive stuff. It's madness but not something that will change in the short term

For toiletries and generic drugs it's well worth stopping into a Savers up north, there's one in Newry which is handy to get to from the A1 if you take the exit that takes you past the hospital.
Generic Ibuprofen and Paracetamol is great but they also do 7 one-a-day allergy tablets for 49p and I think 14 for 79p. All the day-to-day stuff is mental cheap and well worth stocking up on. Sensodyne which is nearly €6 is I think £2.99. Hair dye, fancy shampoos, all way, way cheaper.
(I'm just south of the border so nip up about every 6 weeks to stock up on all toiletries.)

silver2020 · 10-11-2019 12:26pm

John Rough Sailor wrote: »

This is about rounding not change. You Sir are the incorrect one.

the poster said the retailer legally MUST give the change.

That is incorrect. Doesn't matter is its 1c or €90, there is no legal obligation on a retailer to provide any change. Hence the poster say that "legally the retailer MUST give change" is entirely incorrect.

nthclare · 10-11-2019 12:32pm

6541 wrote: »

Totally off topic, why do you go for Patagonia wetsuits ? Are many brands not way better ?

I've a few C-skins O Neil's and xel Drylocks although what I like about the new Patagonia they're easier to repair, use good quality neoprene and man they're cosy, borrowed one off a friend he's my size.
More flexible and easier to paddle out in.
My favourite wetsuit is actually the 5/4 reflex bodyboarding wetsuit there's no rubber in front eliminating any tares from bouncing off the board and getting leak's, but I prefer to maybe get a Patagonia this winter.

What do you use yourself

WishUWereHere · 10-11-2019 2:50pm

silver2020 wrote: »

the poster said the retailer legally MUST give the change.

That is incorrect. Doesn't matter is its 1c or €90, there is no legal obligation on a retailer to provide any change. Hence the poster say that "legally the retailer MUST give change" is entirely incorrect.

Not going to get into an argument with you, but this very thing was a topic recently on Liveliness. Some legal person was on stating that retailers Mustgive exact change if the purchaser wants it.

wassie · 10-11-2019 3:17pm

duffman13 wrote: »

€2.29 is probably for a pack of 12 in comparison 16 i think you Can get up north for 25p. Apparently it's an issue with licensing, they can't get their own brand ultra cheap generics in for whatever reason. If you go to Boots or Superdrug in the UK they have own brand everything really but the pharmacy industry here is fairly protected tbh. There is no push from Any of the big retailers to get the super cheap stuff here cause we will happily pay for the more expensive stuff. It's madness but not something that will change in the short term

Over the counter medicines a classic example of the restricted competition in this country and the nanny state we are live in. Nothing sh!ts me more than being told 'sorry sir, we cant sell you more because the Govt doesnt trust you'.

Was in Aus a while back, could get a generic box of 100 tablets of paracetamol (500mg) for AUD$2.49.....Thats €1.55 or 1.55c

Wanderer78 · 10-11-2019 3:20pm

wassie wrote: »

Over the counter medicines in this country is a classic example of the restricted competition in this country and the nanny state we are live in. Nothing sh!ts me more than being told 'sorry sir, we cant sell you more because the Govt doesnt trust you'.

Was in Aus a while back, could get a generic box of 100 tablets of paracetamol (500mg) for AUD$2.49.....Thats €1.55 or 1.55c each!

well we could remove all 'restrictions' on addictive substances, and see what happens!

L1011 · 10-11-2019 3:25pm

The cost of licencing medications for the Irish market versus the size of the market is a barrier to entry for cheap suppliers and allows the other suppliers to continue to charge more basically

HeidiHeidi · 10-11-2019 3:25pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

well we could remove all 'restrictions' on addictive substances, and see what happens!

Restricting access at shop counter level doesn't address the rip-off element though.

Although pricing of alcohol and more so cigarettes does seem to be an attempt to control consumption.

But my initial point was the 1000% price difference in an identical product between Ireland and the UK.

(I think I quoted the wrong post here, but you get my point hopefully!

HeidiHeidi · 10-11-2019 3:27pm

L1011 wrote: »

The cost of licencing medications for the Irish market versus the size of the market is a barrier to entry for cheap suppliers and allows the other suppliers to continue to charge more basically

But as a poster mentioned earlier, we have Boots here - they can supply a box of paracetamol for 25p in the UK, why not the equivalent price here?

Dav010 · 10-11-2019 3:40pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

But as a poster mentioned earlier, we have Boots here - they can supply a box of paracetamol for 25p in the UK, why not the equivalent price here?

Boots cannot just bring lorry loads of pharmaceuticals from their warehouse in the UK into Ireland. I doubt Boots actually make the tablets, they just package them in Boots branded boxes. Pharmaceuticals come from Distributors and it is well known that due to the small size of the Irish market, the Distributors charge a lot more than they do to supply the much larger UK market. The price disparity of meds in UK/Irish markets is a topic regularly covered in the media, particularly because the HSE is a huge purchaser of these more expensive meds.

L1011 · 10-11-2019 4:42pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

But as a poster mentioned earlier, we have Boots here - they can supply a box of paracetamol for 25p in the UK, why not the equivalent price here?

Because the product isn't licenced here and the HPRA would charge Rather A Lot to do so. If they did licence it they'd want to make that cost back in a higher price.

As Dav010 points out Boots probably aren't making the product - they sold their consumer OTC production division (Nurofen, Strepsils, E45 and others) over a decade ago and their prescription medication production division in the 1990s.

Not all the price difference is down to licencing costs, some of it is pure profit-taking by companies that know they've relatively limited competitors or likelihood of further competitors coming in. There were calls to just accept UK product authorisations but that won't work after January/another future date anyway!

rubadub · 10-11-2019 5:44pm

duffman13 wrote: »

€2.29 is probably for a pack of 12 in comparison 16 i think you Can get up north for 25p.

I get 24 for a 1 euro in my nearest pharmacy, purepharmacy were doing 24 for 90cent, not sure if that is still on.

https://www.purepharmacy.ie/

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