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27-09-2019, 09:28   #16
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do we actually have concrete facts on all these 'facts'? im not living in some utopia thinking all our recyclables are actually recycled, but....

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-pl...Jan2018/?amp=1
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27-09-2019, 09:41   #17
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Threads like these really upset me!

I've spent years now carefully separating all my rubbish and trying to convince my son to do the same (he still fecks soft plastic wrappers into the recycling bin )

Two of the son's friends started work for a waste collection company after they left school and they used to laugh at me for going to the trouble of recycling as they assured me that not one f*ck was given by the collection company, the vast majority got thrown into the same pile.

It still makes me feel good about myself to recycle though, even when I think about the zero effect I'm having on the environment.
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27-09-2019, 09:47   #18
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Threads like these really upset me!

I've spent years now carefully separating all my rubbish and trying to convince my son to do the same (he still fecks soft plastic wrappers into the recycling bin )

Two of the son's friends started work for a waste collection company after they left school and they used to laugh at me for going to the trouble of recycling as they assured me that not one f*ck was given by the collection company, the vast majority got thrown into the same pile.

It still makes me feel good about myself to recycle though, even when I think about the zero effect I'm having on the environment.

Paper and metals have a good turnaround. A lot of plastic just isn't recyclable or not economical.

We should by right be looking after it ourselves,not sending it abroad to end up in the environment.
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27-09-2019, 12:12   #19
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Paper and metals have a good turnaround. A lot of plastic just isn't recyclable or not economical.

We should by right be looking after it ourselves,not sending it abroad to end up in the environment.
Because it's economical.
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https://www.european-aluminium.eu/me...lingresult.pdf

I think paper is 40% cheaper to make from recycled sources.
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We are unable to recycle gigantic wind turbines - so how could we manage millions of small wrappings???
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27-09-2019, 12:44   #21
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We are unable to recycle gigantic wind turbines - so how could we manage millions of small wrappings???

Probably regulation that is preventing that from being feasible. I'm sure the friendly traveling community could recycle them quite easily but if you're depending on the turbine operator to do it all by the book it will cost billions
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....It still makes me feel good about myself to recycle though, even when I think about the zero effect I'm having on the environment.
Try to reduce your usage of plastics. Like use a canvas bag for shopping, and choose food items with less plastic wrapping.
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Paper and metals have a good turnaround. A lot of plastic just isn't recyclable or not economical.

We should by right be looking after it ourselves,not sending it abroad to end up in the environment.
Nothing wrong with sending things abroad.
Energy intensive metal recycling is done in Iceland, where geothermal power means electricity is almost free.

Sending it abroad to be dumped is a different story.
Until there's cash in recycling, nothing will be done.
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We should by right be looking after it ourselves,not sending it abroad to end up in the environment.
You mean to end up in recycling plants abroad? Or do the Chinese just dump it in the sea?
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27-09-2019, 17:32   #25
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You mean to end up in recycling plants abroad? Or do the Chinese just dump it in the sea?

A lot of it does get incinerated here and used in cement plants apparently.
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A lot of it does get incinerated here and used in cement plants apparently.
Much of what exported from here goes to Sweden who are desperate for fuel for their incinerators to keep the lights on.
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Lol at people thinking their recycling bins are recycled.

You know what the material in recycling bins is good at? Burning.

That's why it is mostly all sent to incineration.
I wouldn't be surprised something like 20% of material in recycling bins isn't supposed to be there. But it's always difficult to get a straight answer about this sort of stuff. How did you hear that for example?
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Plastic recyclers wanted milk bottle manufacturers to stop putting blue and green lids on bottles, cause they have to be manually removed, but consumers didn't like it, so it wasn't done.
If it were done for all brands of milk then the customer couldn't choose. We need a dictator to make it law!
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We should by right be looking after it ourselves,not sending it abroad to end up in the environment.
You mean to end up in recycling plants abroad? Or do the Chinese just dump it in the sea?
China doesn't accept plastics from Ireland anymore.
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A lot of it does get incinerated here and used in cement plants apparently.
Cement plants? How does that work? Do they grind it up and mix it cement so that the end result is a 1 in 20 mixture of plastic?
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