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26-07-2012, 17:05   #1
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San Francisco 49ers Discussion

I thought it would be nice to have a 49ers thread on here. I think there are a few 49ers fans here and it will be good to have somewhere to debate issues without resorting to the main thread.

Anyway in order to get things started (and generate some talking points) I thought I’d go through the roster position by position and also do a little prediction at the end.

In typical 49er fashion I’ll start with the Defense:

Secondary:

I think the 49ers secondary is actually a weakness. They are reliant on the front 7 getting pressure and in 2011 they lived a lot on interceptions which can’t be guaranteed in 2012. Against the Giants, Lions and Saints they gave up a lot of yards last year if not a lot of points.
In 2012 the 49ers face games against the Saints, Giants, Packers, Patriots, and Lions. In short some of the best offenses in the league.

Safety:
Dashon Goldson failed to reach agreement with the 49ers on a long term deal and will play 2012 under the franchise tag. Barring an exceptional season it has to be expected that this could be his last season in San Francisco.
Donte Whitner is the other starting safety and is coming off a good season last year, including a game changing hit on Pierre Thomas in the Divisional game.
The 49ers starting safties are both solid but a lack of depth at the position is a concern.
Corner Back:

Carlos Rodgers, Chris Culliver

A couple of solid corners, generated a lot of picks in 2011, the question is if they dry up how will they hold up in coverage.
Tarell Brown is the nickel back and has shown some promise.
Front 7:

The 49ers front 7 is crucial to how the defense operates, last year they shut down the running game of most teams they came up against and were able to get pressure on the QB. The questions that remain to be answered are how would they deal with a few injuries and can they keep up that level of performance for a second year.

Inside Linebackers:

Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman
Not much to be said here other than you’ve got 2 of the best linebackers in the league. Very difficult to run against and very good in coverage too. Larry Grant proved an able backup last season but you have to think any sort of injury here seriously weaken the 49ers.

Outside Linebacker:
Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson

Smith only really played on 3rd down and obvious pass rush situations last year and came within half a sack of the rookie record. Expect him to play every down this year. Whichever 2 start, you are probably looking at the best linebacking corps in the league and their performance will go a long way to determining how many games the 49ers win this year.

Defensive Line:

Isaac Sopoaga, Justin Smith, Ray McDonald
Justin Smith was immense last year and he was a genuine contender for DPOTY. For 2012 the niners need the D-Line to be just as dominant given the tough schedule they face this year.

Offense:

Quarterback

Alex Smith remains the starter, coming off a 5 INT season. The offense was run to play to Smith’s strengths and he was never really asked to make throws he’s not able too. He was helped out by the running game but even so 2011 marks easily the best year of his career. Given what Aaron Rodgers has achieved in Green Bay after SF passed on him Smith has always been under a huge amount of pressure. Expect the playcalling in 2012 to be a little less conservative with Alex asked to throw a lot more on 3rd down and also to produce more in the redzone. Expect more interceptions. The success or otherwise of the 49ers season will probably rest on how well Smith and the rest of the offense perform in those situations.
Colin Kaepernick remains the backup but this could change heading into camp, where Josh Johnson (who played for Harbaugh in San Diego) presents a challenge.

Wide Receiver

This is the area that the front office focused on most in the off-season. Mario Manningham and Randy Moss were added in free agency. AJ Jenkins was drafted in the first round. Michael Crabtree, Ted Ginn and Kyle Williams return from 2011. Obviously there are questions over most of these guys. Crabtree has yet to have a full training camp since coming into the league, while he was anonymous in the playoffs last year, only one catch for 3 yards in the championship game. Moss is 35, didn’t play last year and was ditched by 3 teams the year before. It will also be interesting to see how or if Williams bounces back after the twin disasters in the Championship game last year.
AJ Jenkins was a huge surprise in the first round of the draft and the soundings coming out of Santa Clara have not been good. He is said to be too lightweight for the NFL at present and little or nothing is expected from him in 2012.
Moss and Crabtree are the likely starters but if Moss doesn’t work out I don’t think Manningham and Crabtree will scare too many defences.

Tight End

Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
Davis had an outstanding couple of games in the playoffs but showed some frustration early in the year when not seeing much of the ball. I expect a big year from Davis, I think 49ers will need that and he is capable of taking some coverage away from the receivers.

Running Back:

Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, LaMichael James, Brandon Jacobs
It’s hard to know how SF will play the run this year. We can’t expect Gore to carry as much as he has been doing. Hunter did well at times last year and I expect progress from him. The second round pick from Oregon, James, is very exciting and I’m really looking forward to seeing where he fits in.
I’m not at all convinced by the signing of Jacobs and I’m not even sure he’ll make the final roster. If he does it’s hard to see how he’ll get much work unless Gore has to sit out due to injury.

O-Line:
Mike Iupati,Joe Stately, Jonathan Goodwin, Alex Boon, Anthony Davis
Daniel Kilgore probably the first backup.

Struggled at times last year, particularly at Baltimore but seemed to be able to get it together when it really mattered. The 49ers have drafted 4 O-Linemen in the last 2 drafts.
Pass protection will need to better this year if 49ers are to make use of the talents of Moss et al.

Special Teams:

David Ackers, Andy Lee.
Not much to say here, one of the best punters in the game and had a huge impact last year. Ackers is ever reliable and set some records last year. No worries here really. Rock Cartwright was brought in in the off-season and he will help out on Special Teams.

2012 Prediction:

Last year the 49ers won 13 games, didn’t allow a 100 yard rushing game until very late in the year, went to the NFC championship game, Smith only threw 5 picks, and to boot they didn’t have the toughest schedule in the league.
It’s very difficult to see the above being maintained for a second year. The schedule is brutal this year, no one will be underestimating us this year and everything will be more difficult.
Football Outsiders predict the 49ers will regress seriously and will only win 7 games.
I’m not quite as pessimistic. It may be unrealistic to expect a repeat of 2011 but I expect the 49ers to win the NFC West and win probably 10 games in the process. What will happen in the play-offs is anyone’s guess.
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Alex Smith remains the starter, coming off a 5 INT season. The offense was run to play to Smith’s strengths and he was never really asked to make throws he’s not able too. He was helped out by the running game but even so 2011 marks easily the best year of his career. Given what Aaron Rodgers has achieved in Green Bay after SF passed on him Smith has always been under a huge amount of pressure. Expect the playcalling in 2012 to be a little less conservative with Alex asked to throw a lot more on 3rd down and also to produce more in the redzone. Expect more interceptions. The success or otherwise of the 49ers season will probably rest on how well Smith and the rest of the offense perform in those situations.
first off, Rodgers sat for 3 seasons, so Smith wasn't really under any pressure in that regard whatsoever. I think smith is the weak link here, and I don't see them get past any of the big boys come the playoffs.

I agree, if he's asked to throw long he'll make more INTs. Having Moss will help but when it comes to 20+ yard throws, his accuracy is very mediocre. Will randy keep motivated considering he's spent time under two of the best distance throwers in the game (Brady and Favre).

QB is definitely the 49'ers achilles heel, made all the worse considering they passed on Peyton.
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first off, Rodgers sat for 3 seasons, so Smith wasn't really under any pressure in that regard whatsoever. I think smith is the weak link here, and I don't see them get past any of the big boys come the playoffs.

I agree, if he's asked to throw long he'll make more INTs. Having Moss will help but when it comes to 20+ yard throws, his accuracy is very mediocre. Will randy keep motivated considering he's spent time under two of the best distance throwers in the game (Brady and Favre).

QB is definitely the 49'ers achilles heel, made all the worse considering they passed on Peyton.
Yeah it will certainly make for an interesting season. I can see Moss leaving town well before the end of the season to be honest. He's not getting any guaranteed money so it's easy for the 49ers to walk away if it's not working out.

I don't think it's fair to say they passed on Peyton, I don't know what more they could have done to land him really.
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first off, Rodgers sat for 3 seasons, so Smith wasn't really under any pressure in that regard whatsoever. I think smith is the weak link here, and I don't see them get past any of the big boys come the playoffs.

I agree, if he's asked to throw long he'll make more INTs. Having Moss will help but when it comes to 20+ yard throws, his accuracy is very mediocre. Will randy keep motivated considering he's spent time under two of the best distance throwers in the game (Brady and Favre).

QB is definitely the 49'ers achilles heel, made all the worse considering they passed on Peyton.
Moss is just there to keep the defense honest imo, stretch the field and make the safeties sit deep, maybe getting 1/ or 2 target a game. I do think he'll last the season though...
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The 49ers have signed G Leonard Davis to a one year deal. Adding a bit of depth to the Offensive Line. I'm not sure he'll get a starting position but it eases some of the concerns on Offensive line depth.

In other news Dashon Goldson signed his franchise tag and reported on time.
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As has happened every year he has been in the league Michael Crabtree will not have a full training camp.

He injured himself on Friday and has been sitting out practice since.

I'm not sure if he's injury prone or just doesn't like camp. Apparently it's a separate injury to last year's...it's his right ankle as opposed to his right foot that caused problems in the past.
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Just watched some of the highlights from the 49ers vs Saints play-off game last January. The last 4mins were unbelievable! Some performance.
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Yeah, cracking game. I was up in the woolshed for it, with a saints fan who went absolutely nuts when Graham scored that TD, then stormed off when Davis got his TD 1 min later.
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Training Camp continues without crabtree and people are now starting to ask with a little more concern if Crabtree is deliberately missing training camp and preseason due to not wanting to put in the work or not wanting to out himself in harms way for a "meaningless" game or practice.

Either that or he is injury prone but that doesn't seem to add up either as he is usually ok througout the season.

Whatever the reason I can see him slipping down the depth chart and starting the sesason as WR3 behind Moss and Manningham.

What do you think?

This is from a fan site:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/8/4...-recent-injury

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While I wouldn't go so far as to accuse Michael Crabtree of faking an injury, I wouldn't be the first one to be baffled by his horrible "luck" when it comes to being able to participate in training camp and/or preseason games.

Yet again he has an injury that's caused him to miss, what, six practices now? I'm sure there are office pools going, taking bets on how many preseason games he'll participate in. (Incidentally, my over-under is one game, takers?) This will bring out droves of people questioning whether it's all just a convenient way to miss preseason games (maybe he doesn't want to get really hurt in a "meaningless game"?).

I suppose the trainers probably ask a lot of subjective questions to injured players about how the injury "feels today" or "Does this hurt? How about this?", etc. If you really wanted to miss time I guess maybe you could say it hurts more than it really does...I'm not a doctor, but when the people around me know less than I do about medicine, I act like I know everything (and I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently).

As with any player there are also people in Crabtree's corner, attributing the injury to bad luck or being "prone" to get hurt. I honestly don't have a strong opinion either way...but it is troubling to think of him missing yet another opportunity to have a full off-season (or most of one) to gain chemistry with his teammates...particularly his quarterback.

One would think that if Crabtree were doing this all on purpose that he would also realize that every "meh" season he turns-in takes money out of his free-agency pocket when that time comes...but again, I'm not saying he's guilty-as-charged.

Where do you stand on the issue?
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If the cameras had been rolling, it would have made SportsCenter and gotten a billion hits on YouTube. The 49ers ended their twilight practice Saturday with a two-minute drive for a field goal. The guy who lined up to attempt that field goal was none other than Jim Harbaugh. But Harbaugh just didn’t pantomime kicking the game winner. He called for a fake. As he ran past the holder -- assistant special teams coach Tracy Smith -- Smith flipped him the ball. It was a little out of reach, but Harbaugh still managed to gather it in. But when he went to cut up the field, he went down – face first – in a heap and lay there for a few seconds. The players, of course, thought it was the most hilarious thing they’d ever seen. So did a group of VIPs in the nearby bleachers. Harbaugh got to his feet and good naturedly ended practice a half hour early. The 49ers have a day off Sunday.
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49ers Depth Chart for the first Pre season Game:

QB: Alex Smith (11), Colin Kaepernick (7), Josh Johnson (1), Scott Tolzien (3)

RB: Frank Gore (21), Kendall Hunter (32), Brandon Jacobs (45), LaMichael James (23), Rock Cartwright (28)

FB: Bruce Miller (49), Anthony Dixon (24), Cameron Bell (44)

WR: Randy Moss (84) — or — Mario Manningham (14) — or — Ted Ginn Jr. (19), Brett Swain (18), Chris Owusu (81), Ben Hannula (35)

WR: Michael Crabtree (15), Kyle Williams (10), A.J. Jenkins (17), Joe Hastings (13), Nathan Palmer (89), Brian Tyms (9)

LT: Joe Staley (74), Alex Boone (75), Derek Hall (71), Kenny Wiggins (69)

LG: Mike Iupati (77), Daniel Kilgore (66), Joe Looney (66), Garrett Chisholm (60)

C: Jonathan Goodwin (59), Daniel Kilgore (67), Chase Beeler (61), Jason Slowey (62)

RG: Alex Boone (75), Leonard Davis (68), Mike Person (78), Al Netter (65)

RT: Anthony Davis (76), Mike Person (78), Derek Hall (71), Kenny Wiggins (69)

TE: Vernon Davis (85), Delanie Walker (46), Nate Byham (82), Konrad Reuland (88), Garrett Celek (48), Kyle Nelson (47)

DEFENSE

LDT: Ray McDonald (91), Demarcus (96), Tony Jerod-Eddie (63), Patrick Butrym (69)

NT: Isaac Sopoaga (90), Ricky Jean Francois (95), Ian Williams (93)

RDT: Justin Smith (94), Will Tukuafu (92), Matthew Masifilo (71)

OLB: Ahmad Brooks (55), Parys Haralson (98), Cam Johnson (50), Eric Bakhtiari (44)

ILB: NaVorro Bowman (53), Larry Grant (54), Joe Holland (51)

ILB: Patrick Willis (52), Tavares Gooden (56), Michael Wilhoite (57)

OLB: Aldon Smith (99), Parys Haralson (98), Kourtnei Brown (48)

LCB: Carlos Rogers (22), Tramaine Brock (26), Perrish Cox (20), Curtis Holcomb (41)

RCB: Tarell Brown (25), Chris Culliver (29), Anthony Mosley (33), Deante’ Purvis (40)

FS: Dashon Goldson (38), C.J. Spillman (27), Cory Nelms (23), Colin Jones (43), Mark LeGree (35)

SS: Donte Whitner (31), Trenton Robinson (30), Darcel McBath (36), Michael Thomas (36)

SPECIAL TEAMS

PR: Ted Ginn Jr. (19), Kyle Williams (10), LaMichael James (23)

KR: Ginn Jr., Hunter, James

P: Andy Lee (4)

K: David Akers (2), Giorgio Tavecchio (5)

H: Lee (Tolzien is emergency replacement, I believe)

LS: Brian Jennings (86), Kyle Nelson (47)
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A bit if a disastrous pre season game last night,defeat to the Texans,kaepernick looked poor enough and 2 injuries to Jacobs and james.

Hopefully the injuries are not too serious.

49ers also gave up a td on a punt return.
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At least you still have Alex.

It'll go down as one of the all-time stories of preserverence and redemption if Smith and the 49ers win the big one this year.
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At least you still have Alex.

It'll go down as one of the all-time stories of preserverence and redemption if Smith and the 49ers win the big one this year.
Indeed, he's looked good so far in the 2 games, though the O-Line will need to improve as he took a load of sacks against the Texans.

I'm not sure who the backup will be at this stage, Tolzien may be a better bet to come in if Smith goes down.

Doesn't look like Josh Johnson will make the team, though he did have one lovely throw to Jenkins on Saturday. He also missed him while wide open another few times.

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he San Francisco 49ers can breathe a sigh of relief after an MRI has revealed running back Brandon Jacobs suffered "no major damage" to his left knee, according to a source with knowledge of his condition.

Jacobs left the 49ers' preseason loss to the Houston Texans on Friday after taking a direct hit from cornerback Kareem Jackson on an 8-yard run near the end of the first quarter.

The running back was unable to put weight on his left leg and was carted to the 49ers' locker room.
Lamichael James also thinks he wont miss any time and the Aldon Smith injury looks like it will clear up in time for week 1 also.
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49ers@Denver

The 49ers are in Denver tonight for week 3 of the pre season. The game kicks off at 9pm.

This one should see the starters on both teams play most of the game. it should be interesting to see how peyton gets on against the 49ers defence and also how well the 49ers manage to bring their receivers into the game.

We haven't really seen much of Moss or Manningham this preseason.

It would be nice to see a bit more of Kendall Hunter tonight also.

Hopefully we don't see any serious injuries tonight.
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