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Werewolf Post Game Feedback Thread
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Werewolf Walking Dead Part 2 and Necros last game for a long time. Couldn’t have been more of a Necro game with all those twists and turns
Really well done mods, such a fun game. Loved every minute of it, I remember the night before I got munched I thought I never want this game to end it was so fun... And then well thanks wolves :P
Game mechanics and flavour 10/10, the three team game was great and even if you trusted someone once there was a conversion you were questioning them all over.
I was all over the place with my reads and I use that term lightly in that I hadn’t a breeze who was who half of the time but I still had a great time playing.
General game feedback: For anyone who’s relatively new to the game don’t ever be afraid to ask what something is on thread if you don’t understand it. When I started playing I asked loads of questions and nobody batted an eyelid. As it’s been said before were a very welcoming crowd and wouldn’t want anybody to not get the full experience from a game and if that means asking questions until you wrap your head around it then by all means do
Also also general feedback, can we make it a thing to stop saying being confused makes someone a wolf. I still get confused and I would hate to think if I expressed that on thread the mob would be after me :P But seriously there’ll always be things that wolves have done but as someone said during the game wolves are ever changing so what makes one does not make another. I don’t think anyone uses being new as an excuse when they’re a wolf anyway, not that I’ve seen so let’s all be more mindful of newer folk going forward
Also also also that’s not directed at any one or in reference to the last game but something I’ve noticed a few times in the past few games.0 -
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Thanks for the game mods, really enjoyed it.
Some of the stuff was really cool and I loved how the force played into finding out the dead players.
Anti role reveal was a good idea but as I think we saw when paired with priests it might not be feasible. Possibly would have worked much better with auto priest but look you live and learn (and then you wouldn't have got the force being used in a clever manner either)
Mainly I was sad about the non-reveal rule though cos I got Darth Vader as a role and I wanted to post all the gifs
I loved the dynamic switch to make the rebels wolves, it was a nice touch and the flavour was good throughout.0 -
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I absolutely loved the stand. I’ve said it already the game mechanics were just amazing. First with my inheriting the seer role and THEN becoming supervig was just the best moment for me personally playing WW and just how it all unfolded was amazing, how I survived a full day with my powers I’ll never know but it was really an amazing day
Then we have THAT explosion. My god that was just amazing, I’ve always wanted to see something like that happen where a huge number were taken out at the same time and it really done it justice, I can imagine it was a very fun role to play as too. Just a breathtaking moment
The wolves did a great job too, all four of them alive to be taken out in the space of a couple of days and then just when it looks like it was game over Stu pulled it out of the bag with those huge posts. He read a lot like a villager for the first half of the game too so had that to his advantage so really well played
The only downside I’d comment on was the lack of posts during and in the final two days or the game. I completely get life is hectic at the moment and we had a lot of subs etc but this is starting to become a recurring theme and I do think it should be a rule that at the mods discretion they can intervene if this is happening as it does nothing to progress the game and takes away from the fun of post analysis as what can you say about someone when they haven’t really said anything? And that’s not about anyone specific either as it happened with quite a few people.
The final two days were heartbreaking to watch after being so pumped and totally immersed in the game to the thread completely flatlining. It took away the excitement of what should have been a tense all out battle for victory when it really mattered the most which to me was quite sad to watch from the sidelines
Overall though I really loved playing this game so well done mods, this will be one talked about for a long time. Congrats to Green&Red too on your mod debut, you done such a great job and I definitely wouldn’t say no to a you and Necro tag team again
Final final thoughts I liked how whenever any of us got wound up on thread we were all apologising to each other afterwards. It was nice to see and I think the game overall was played in good spirits and all new players were welcomed with open arms
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Brilliant game Rikand. Really enjoyed the complexity and nuance.
Things I loved about the game were being able to claim a role but not a character...I think that could have been really interesting with the replication of roles across factions.
I really enjoyed the different factions but I'm not sure how much I liked not knowing how many factions there were. I can see both sides on this.
One thing I do think though is that if you are going to have factions and not let people know the number, there should be some way of the teams working it out. It may be personal preference but I'm not a big fan of passive roles, because I think it can lead to strategic low posting...which leads me to my only real issue of the game, no/low posting.
It is something that has been an issue in this and other games and one which is NOT the fault of the mods. I'm also not trying to have a go at any particular player here because know life can happen and it has happened to me but I think we need to introduce higher minimum posting counts/harsher penalties for non posting. I'm sure Rikand was scrambling for subs to keep things interesting but he shouldn't have to.
I don't get to play as often as I would like (for which you all should be grateful :pac: ) so there is probably an element of personal frustration in this but I'd love to see low posting go away.
I'll try and address a few of these points if i can.
I did have a mechanic in place for no posting and no voting, but I think there is a difference between someone who is strategically not voting/posting and someone who just disappears off the planet. I hope both Fixxxer and JGF are okay
If I didnt have a sub for Phil WW, he would have been modkilled at 9PM that night and the village would have won with Katie giving up.
Game Setup ::
On the forum I come from originally, there are 3 standard styles of games ::
Vanilla :
Vanilla+
Mish-Mash
Vanillas::
Vanilla are standard games where the only roles are wolves, villagers and seer(s) depending on the size of the games.
They are apportioned in this fashion
No. Of Players|Villagers|Wolves|Seer(s)|n0 Peek
9|6|2|1|yes
11|8|2|1|no
13|9|3|1|yes
15|11|3|1|no
17|12|4|1|yes
19|14|4|1|no
21|15|5|1|yes
23|17|5|1|no
25|17|6|2|yes
27|19|6|2|no
29|20|7|2|yes
etc|
Even though thats only for vanilla games, I, and most mods on my home forum, keep to that design for all forms of werewolf
Vanilla+
Vanilla+ are where you would have a complex design that is known to every player playing the game. I have seen a lot of boards.ie games with this makeup. For example my game just gone, you would have seen the full make up of the village team, wolf team, and the neutrals. A 17 player game, there was 4 wolves and 1 seer as above - But with other powers given to both wolf and village teams to account for the variance of neutrals.
Mish-Mash
Everything is hidden and anything goes. Tend to still stick to the player design though which is tricky when you can have games of over 100 players. A 100 person game would have 4-5 seers and 20ish wolves.
I prefer to create mish-mashes as I like the artistic licence, I like to leave people in suspense and I think Vanilla+ is tougher on the wolf teams. Although it was only presumed there was a godfather in my game and necro got lynched pretty hard on that assumption. Imagine how hard he would get lynched if you knew there were Godfathers!
I would love to run a few vanillas though if there was a scope or a demand for them. Maybe on the weeks when there are no large themed games. They are a great way to introduce people to werewolf and get them immersed in the ways of it outside of large complex themed games 0 -
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Loved the game Rikand (and Neo). I'm 90% certain I actually have used that exact table for deciding game balance in the past, think it's available with a quick Google.
Closest thing we have had here to a Mish-Mash would be South Park I'd reckon, we just don't have the player base to have a full out Mish-Mash game.
The roles gelled extremely well with the source material and made for a very immersive experience. Agreed with Neo, we don't on Boards do it enough, policy lynching low posters and expecting mods to deal with them, so perhaps we are partly to blame for them then lasting to the end and impacting the game result.
That being said sub-Phil was excellent, just a shame the original didn't get a chance to play fully. SnowyMay was fab when they came in for fixXxer as well, so kudos to the subs for playing their part.
If I can though, I'd like to bring up the subject of recent games - it seems we are struggling to fill sign ups which is a concern. Even games with 15 slots aren't filling as of late, and usually a good theme such as Die Hard would bring in a few new players and fill up quickly but it just doesn't seem to be happening for anyone currently.
It's not anyone's fault, players drift off and don't play again through real changes etc, and it's up to us as a community to market ourselves and continue to bring in new players.
Forum Games is actually more popular than ever with the Tournaments, Sheep, MSPaint and various versions of Walrus that all of us love and mostly participate in as well.
BUT - Werewolf seems to be going in the opposite direction. We did have a vibrant and active Feedback thread and after game discussion that has all but died nowadays. Off topic chat has kinda petered out a bit too.
Personally I think we need to arrest that slide sooner rather than later or we will end up losing the game like what happened to Codenames and D&D.
Mods are not going to want to build games that won't fill, so whilst we have a Schedule running until Christmas 2022 - we may indeed see times where a mod will pull their game rather than have 12, or 15 players play when they had a planned game for 20.
And maybe that shouldn't happen either, flexibility as a game mod is invaluable - but we also need to give more credit to people who run the games, and indeed Boards as a website rather than running off to a discord server as soon as the game finishes and not having any discussion on the matter or providing the game mods with some feedback about what people liked, what they didn't like etc.
I'm not sure if Kathleen will pop in or not but when i was looking for subs she said she would ask some friends who post on boards.ie...
their response :: " Pfft, werewolf is only for boring nerds. "
So there is definitely an image problem for werewolf in the wider boards.ie community. given how many sheepers and walrusers we have now, that image problem is perhaps within as well
We could try a hydra game where we see about inviting all new players to try the game out and give them an experienced player to pair up with who would act as adviser or give them know how on reasoning the game out. Dont know if that would help or if even irish people in general would go for it or not Some Irish people tend to be more of an " I'll be grand, I dont need help" sort of a bunch 0 -
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