DFB on Tetra yet?

jleavy046 wrote: »

Hi folks,
Just wondering if Dublin fire service are on Tetra or are planning to move to Tetra radios?

I understand that some volunteer ambulance services are now on Tetra and can, if needed, talk directly to other services on Tetra.


Joe

I believe they are not - but that they will be moving at some point to a limited use of Tetra (Fireground op's radios still uhf for example). Can't remember source on that.

Voluntaries are in the process of rolling it out countrywide, but certainly a great system for direct comm's with NEOC, other services and the ability to open up inter-org chat groups

I don't think so. The couple of times I was in NEOC the call handler dealing with DFB was verbally speaking to a Controller in Tara St.

jleavy046 wrote: »

Wow, thought those days in our capital city were long gone.

You'd think it would be simple to create an electronic exchange of basic 'tasking' information between the two agencies!?!

NEOC & Tara St use completely different cad systems, They are not compatible. NEOC use a new system with updates all the time. afaik DFB use an old system but correct me if im wrong about DFB.
A new joint system would have to built/purchases and that would cost money so that will not happen!

timmywex wrote: »

Roughly correct. DFB pick up the phone and ring NEOC with the call details. Bizzare in this day and age.

Ultimately means that either service has no view on nearest or potentially available resources. If DFB don't have someone nearby available for a call they pick up the phone and ask NEOC, who also may or may not but may take 60 seconds to get call details and look up resources.

There is also the possibility that if NEOC don't answer call from DFB promptly it will be answered by Ballyshannon.

Tripp wrote: »

That does not happen, DFB ring direct to NEOC in Tallaght

It does happen, even when DFB were in the same room as NAS and phoned to request an ambulance it could be answered in Ballyshannon even though both controllers were only a few meters apart.

Tripp wrote: »

Sorry,I'll rephrase my statement then. That does not happen now, We are talking about NEOC, as i said their is a dedicated line for DFB to contact NEOC In Tallaght. It used to happen back in Tara street when NAS/DFB shared the same Control Room which was a stupid system to use but it was the system in place at the time
Anyway above is totally off topic. Getting back on topic. I don't know for sure if DFB will move to Tetra and stop using their current radio network. I would imagine cost is a huge factor?
They do have a Tetra unit in Tara street to contact NEOC if/when phone lines go down and they need to contact NAS

Not only does it still happen, the situation has deteriorated since the move to Tallaght. A quote from the latest HIQUA report March 2017

"In 2016, HIQA found that this situation had not been resolved, and instead had worsened due to increased demand for services – at a time when available resources levels had remained unchanged.
Furthermore, analysis of calls transferred from Dublin Fire Brigade to the National Ambulance Service in a typical 24 hour period in Dublin by HIQA identified that
 a high proportion of calls that were being queued were potentially life threatening DELTA calls.
 for the minority of these DELTA calls which could be transferred over to the National Ambulance Service because they had available capacity at that time, a number experienced a delay in first response of between four and 10 minutes due to the to and fro of the process of call transfer between services "

Juanito13 wrote: »

There is a dedicated phone and call taker in tallaght for DFB calls. Ballyshannon don't dispatch resources for the dublin region. Although call takers in ballyshannon may proqa calls for dublin.

There is a dedicated phone line I'm not disputing that. Also Dublin based NAS crews are regularly dispatched from Ballyshannon.

Juanito13 wrote: »

Yes so it is impossible for ballyshannon to process dfb calls. Regularly? I'd say very rarely

How is it impossible? If the call is unanswered it can be diverted elsewhere.
Yes regularly, crews in Dublin are dispatched to calls and the control room in Tallaght is unaware.

Tripp wrote: »

The call can not be diverted elsewhere Amboman. There is no third party involved like ECAS. The dedicated line just rings. The call is always answered as there is a call taker there 24/7 who's sole job for that shift is only to liaise with DFB and nothing else.
And yes you are correct. Ballyshannon can and does dispatch for areas surrounding Dublin and if needed dispatches a NAS dublin crew to calls.

I know I'm correct I already stated that Ballyshannon dispatch Dublin ambulances.
Your entitled to believe all calls are answered and there is sufficientl communication between DFB & NAS, but the reality is calls get lost between the two services not only delaying a response but in many cases no resource is dispatched at all.

i remember hearing the costs of what tetra ireland charge as rental and it was crazy something in the region of €80 per handheld and €150 per mobile per month multiply that by each appliance and firefighter in dfb and cost is crazy, then as dublin fall under the camp east system all other counties would have to migrate also, and its my belief that tetra ireland have to specifically open a channel for other services to contact each other so its still a phone call to them to activate this feature i stand to be corrected on this, camp east could in theory create their own tetra network but then they wont have inter agency, also tetra needs like the double the amount of repeaters compared to their current vhf system, tetra ireland is using alot of local authority masts that the fire service also use perhaps they could cut a deal, however in UK services are migrating away from tetra to a 4g ptt type system

None of the fire service are on Tetra.
The voluntary ambo services are on Tetra as a result of lottery funding.

kub wrote: »

Are Tetra Ireland bluffing so advertising Cork City Fire Service as a customer?

http://www.tetraireland.ie/customers

But they also have DFB and Galway fire 8

apparently i heard other day Dublin and camp east are going tetra next year, funding is being put in place

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Interesting to note that the page has now been taken down ...

It's still there.