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27-05-2018, 19:40   #1
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Great amount of legislation proposed in 2018 to change the Residential Tenancies Act

Some TDs have gone beserk, a lot of very amateurish Private Bills which would cause mayhem to the rental market. These TDs are a joke and I am still waiting for the govvie proposal which for sure will come in the summer.

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23 Jan 2018 Residential Tenancies (Amendment) Bill 2018 https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/5/

31 Jan 2018 Overcrowded Housing Bill 2018 https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/11/

21 Mar 2018 Residential Tenancies (Residential Tenancies Board) (Amendment) Bill 2018 https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/32/

29 Mar 2018 Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/35/

2 May 2018 Short-term Lettings Bill 2018 https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/42/

16 May 2018 Residential Tenancies (Rent Pressure Zones & Student Accommodation) (Amendment) (No.2) Bill 2018 https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/52/

The legislative fervor of some TDs is unstoppable and they just don't unterstand that they are destroying the rental market. Their bills will just drastrically reduce supply. They don't care, they just want to look good on the media and are running a race on who is putting out the most stupid and restrictive bill on any type of tenancy in Ireland. I suggest to read each bill in detail, for sure the worst one is the bill proposed on the 29th of March (usual communist thinking against private property), but combined with the other ones they will destroy the market very quickly (except for commercial tenancies which they are not touching yet, but who knows with these idiots).

I am just worried that the government bill will just collect all the garbage from these piecemeal bills and put in into a single bill and I am thinking it is probably time to sell.
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27-05-2018, 20:25   #2
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From reading one of them you won't be able to sell without the tenant in tow, and would put money on that ending up in any final draft.


Winner of biggest fool seems to be Darragh O'Brien, extending rent pressure zone regulations to student accommodation. Student accommodation empty out once a year, they've the easiest time to make any changes they need whether cutting losses or changing use.

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Where the feck are these idiots when there is a genuine issue, such as road safety?

While some of that legislation is laudable there's an awful lot of just messing about. What's the intended purpose of the Short term lettings notification?
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Does the proposed change in the 29,th March bill take away the ground to terminate at the end of the 6 year cycle?

Does that mean a tenancy in a private property will be similar to a local council tenancy & can last indefinitly?

Also the sale of property will not be a reason. How would that work if banks require property to be vacant for buyers. can a property only be sold for cash?? How many cash buyers are there?

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So let me guess everything they are discussing is for the tenant and nothing for the landlord. Normally it’s meant to be a two way street of bargain. Yet again more crap that won’t fix the situation and drive more and more ll out of the market
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31 Jan 2018 Overcrowded Housing Bill 2018; Amendment of section 63 of Act of 1966 - 2;
I could be reading this incorrectly, but if the family has kids, and there isn't room for said kids, after two years it becomes overcrowding, does the landlord then get fined?

29 Mar 2018 Residential Tenancies; Grounds for termination by landlord
7. Section 34 (Grounds for termination by landlord) of the Principal Act is amended
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(ii) in paragraph 5, by substituting “, no reasonable measures can be taken to maintain the dwelling fit for human habitation during the refurbishment or renovation” for “in a way which requires the dwelling to be vacated for that purpose”.
So the LL can't build an extra room even if he could?
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Does amendment 6 of 29th mar mean the entire country is to be a RPZ

when is the CPI % published? The new formula uses the last % in the calculation

It seems the regulations will get even more complicated with these changes.

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Where the feck are these idiots when there is a genuine issue, such as road safety?

While some of that legislation is laudable there's an awful lot of just messing about. What's the intended purpose of the Short term lettings notification?
I'm not used to reading legal stuff but does that bill mean any service involved in short term lets would need a psra licence? Would that be the likes of websites that advertise holiday lets or cleaning services

And if you do airbnb in your home for more than 6 weeks in the year it will be commercial, so what do home owners need, is it a change of use planning permission?
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They have their interest in this. Many of them are property owners. If you were landlord, would you be interested in increasing property supply? No, because that would decrease rental prices = your income 

It's like a judge who would have a mortgage himself and who would rule about person who has mortgage in arrears. Conflict of interests.
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They have their interest in this. Many of them are property owners. If you were landlord, would you be interested in increasing property supply? No, because that would decrease rental prices = your income 

It's like a judge who would have a mortgage himself and who would rule about person who has mortgage in arrears. Conflict of interests.
If they were looking out for themselves the landscape would be very different and you could quickly and without hi cost evict bad and non paying tenants.
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Thanks GGTREK for the links - from reading it seems there will be some changes.

For anyone else who is interested:-

29 Mar 2018 Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 == due for discussion Wed 30/5

first stage debate was in March. here is the link: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...2018-03-29/23/

Residential Tenancies (Student rents, rights and protections) Bill 2018 ==due for discussion 29/5

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They are all private members bills, so even if they are due for discussion, it is very unlikely they will move quickly. Now the big worry is what the government bill will include this summer.

29 Mar 2018 Residential Tenancies (Greater Security of Tenure and Rent Certainty) Bill 2018 is just a reproposal of some communist measures present in the Anti Eviction Bill of Sinn Fein, AAA, Labour that was narrowly defeated by one vote in January 2017. It is a very communist bill since it wants to make tenancies indefinite (removes section 34(b)), reduce the eviction for family to just spouse and children, make the whole of Ireland a rent pressure zone, prohibit eviction for sale, and shift social responsibility for tenants to private landlords, ...

As some poster said above, none of the bills introduces any incentive for landlords, just negatives from top to bottom. These TDs just cannot think for a second about the supply side and the massive damage their bills would cause to supply, because they are just playing politics and want to look good on the media. New tenants will be screwed and screwed even more, in addition should any of the communist measures be close to approval I suspect the number of evictions will increase massively (exactly the opposite of what the do-gooder TDs intended)
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Its good for the legal profession thought, i have had to retain legal services on 2 occasions in the last year alone thanks to the regulations.
I consider myself a decent landlord in the past now i have to operate in a hostile over regulated market.
That idiot communist march 29th jan o sullivan stated clearly on radio she wanted small LLs out ignoring the fact that this effects the tenants within... i rest my case
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They are all private members bills, so even if they are due for discussion, it is very unlikely they will move quickly. Now the big worry is what the government bill will include this summer.
Once the government bill is published, will it take long for whatever measures are included to take effect?
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The govvie bill will be fast. In 2016 they managed to pass it in a couple of weeks in order to give as little time as possible for landlords to issue eviction notices or rent increases.
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