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Grizzly 45 · 19-10-2020 8:12pm

Needs to shift out the La Pierre monarchy.Re incorporate in some different state and trim off the fat and wastage. And above all stop looking it is willing to compromise on every damn thing because the Fudd contingent is strong with them... GOA and JPFO are "no compromise" groups,but they haven't the numbers or the disciplined grassroots org that the NRA has,and they need that BADLY to make a difference in DC.

tudderone · 19-10-2020 8:58pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDjcPiB15KQ

Xtrail14 · 23-10-2020 9:25pm

Didn’t think this query warrants a new thread so ask here, is it only when you get the license you see if you get a moderator. From what I read it’s an S on the licence.
Is it known from the grant letter?

Cass · 23-10-2020 9:31pm

Yes.

The grant letter does not state if the suppressor was granted, you only find out when the license arrives.

Xtrail14 · 23-10-2020 9:34pm

Thanks Cass, if it isn’t is it a case of just accept that decision or appeal it?

Cass · 23-10-2020 11:41pm

Sorry for the delay, but my notifications for replies is lagging.

Short answer is yes, appeal.

Long answer is talk to the Super first, see if a meeting can be had and try to sort it out. If that fails seek a letter of refusal as you'll need this to appeal otherwise the refusal is word of mouth and the refusal is in "limbo" making an appeal almost impossible. Then lodge the appeal in court (doesn't cost much), and see if it gets overturned or as does happen the Super changes his/her mind before the court date.

The best advice i can give anyone is submit a good application. Give all the reason for needing a suppressor, and this usually Removes the Super's ability to refuse as you have shown you have done your homework and are prepared.

Grizzly 45 · 24-10-2020 1:33pm

FWIW, I'd also suggest that if the super says he will grant it with conditions attached, no matter how stupid they sound, to take it. I have a ridiculous condition that I can only use my.22 silencer on my own property and on ranges. But I can use my .308 anywhere I'm hunting or on a range in the 26. Go figure.

You can always appeal the conditions as vexatious and unreasonable at a later stage once you have the can on the end of your gun, which is the main point of this whole exercise.:)

BattleCorp · 24-10-2020 1:51pm

I applied for a moderator on an application about 5 years ago. When the licence arrived, no magic S on it. Went into the station, asked what the problem was. The Garda said she'd look into it. About 2 days later she came back and said someone forgot to tick the box for the moderator and that they'd sort it out. Four days after that I had the licence with the S on it.

tudderone · 26-10-2020 7:10pm

German ex-spy chief warning that the chinese are on track for world domination. Wouldn't be surprised if this cursed virus was unleashed deliberately.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8879791/China-close-world-domination-Europe-wake-danger-German-spy-chief-says.html

Grizzly 45 · 26-10-2020 8:15pm

Always had my doubts about Merkel from the get-go.
Even though my German fam are staunch CDU/CSU supporters [ CSU Bavarian state badge name party of CDU which is like FF on steroids and protein supplements...]
Came up too much in the GDR political system as a party brat and tout on her school and university classmates to the STASI to be a bit too dodgy to become a wholesome capitalist overnight and take on the role of Germany and the EU[SSR].
Even her dad was weird.:eek::eek:As a Lutheran pastor,he moved into the GDR, when anyone sane was desperately trying to leave by any means possible to the West. Many paid with their lives in the effort to get to freedom.

She has been described as "Honeckers Rache"[Honecker's revenge][ Eric Honecker the deposed GDR dictator who died in South America always swore he would take revenge on W Germany and Europe for destroying the Communist state...Think he is succeeding with Angelika.:eek:

Feisar · 26-10-2020 8:20pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

FWIW, I'd also suggest that if the super says he will grant it with conditions attached, no matter how stupid they sound, to take it. I have a ridiculous condition that I can only use my.22 silencer on my own property and on ranges. But I can use my .308 anywhere I'm hunting or on a range in the 26. Go figure.

You can always appeal the conditions as vexatious and unreasonable at a later stage once you have the can on the end of your gun, which is the main point of this whole exercise.:)

Have heard of these oddball stipulations. Are these appended to the licence? As in do you have the S but with a star beside it. And that means look up the licence on pulse for additional requirements. What I’m getting at is you have the s. If you use it outside of whatever imaginative stipulations, how are you outside the law?

tudderone · 26-10-2020 9:48pm

Feisar wrote: »

Have heard of these oddball stipulations. Are these appended to the licence? As in do you have the S but with a star beside it. And that means look up the licence on pulse for additional requirements. What I’m getting at is you have the s. If you use it outside of whatever imaginative stipulations, how are you outside the law?

I always wondered about these stipulations too, how far can the supers/chief supers go legally ? I heard of one CS telling a centrefire pistol shooter, the route he had to take from his home to the range, the exact roads, there and back again, if he needed petrol he was snookered as he would have to deviate from the route.

How far should they be allowed go in a democracy ?

tudderone · 26-10-2020 9:52pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Always had my doubts about Merkel from the get-go.
Even though my German fam are staunch CDU/CSU supporters [ CSU Bavarian state badge name party of CDU which is like FF on steroids and protein supplements...]
Came up too much in the GDR political system as a party brat and tout on her school and university classmates to the STASI to be a bit too dodgy to become a wholesome capitalist overnight and take on the role of Germany and the EU[SSR].
Even her dad was weird.:eek::eek:As a Lutheran pastor,he moved into the GDR, when anyone sane was desperately trying to leave by any means possible to the West. Many paid with their lives in the effort to get to freedom.

She has been described as "Honeckers Rache"[Honecker's revenge][ Eric Honecker the deposed GDR dictator who died in South America always swore he would take revenge on W Germany and Europe for destroying the Communist state...Think he is succeeding with Angelika.:eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t5fH_ywo_g

Grizzly 45 · 27-10-2020 1:53am

Feisar wrote: »

Have heard of these oddball stipulations. Are these appended to the licence? As in do you have the S but with a star beside it. And that means look up the licence on pulse for additional requirements. What I’m getting at is you have the s. If you use it outside of whatever imaginative stipulations, how are you outside the law?

Never actually noticed that. Must have a look at that tomorrow AM...
Later
Nope! No weird * or others on my Lic.

My take on this is, it is probably 99% BS and will be in 99% of cases never used as well, but is left there as a booby trap to claim that you broke the conditions of your licensing if they ever have a reason to refuse you and you were caught in a circumstance that was violating those conditions.

Mellor · 27-10-2020 2:18am

tudderone wrote: »

I always wondered about these stipulations too, how far can the supers/chief supers go legally ? I heard of one CS telling a centrefire pistol shooter, the route he had to take from his home to the range, the exact roads, there and back again, if he needed petrol he was snookered as he would have to deviate from the route.

How far should they be allowed go in a democracy ?

They are perfectly entitled to tell you whatever they want in terms of routes, conditions etc.
Being a good upstanding citizen, you say yes sure and take you license.

But from then on in you follow the actual laws on using and transporting a firearm. If a condition has no basis in law, then it has no basis.

BattleCorp · 27-10-2020 11:04am

Feisar wrote: »

Have heard of these oddball stipulations. Are these appended to the licence?

I've some stipulations on my restricted licences. They aren't printed on the licence. I got a letter (not a grant letter) saying that the CS approves my application subject to the following conditions bla bla bla. A week later I get the grant letter that says that I have been granted the licence subject to the conditions contained in previous letter bla bla bla.

tudderone wrote: »

I always wondered about these stipulations too, how far can the supers/chief supers go legally ?

Two of my conditions relate to transport.

First one is don't leave the firearm unattended in the car. Sensible enough. Until I have to go to the jacks when going a long distance to a competition. Do I bring it slung over my shoulder into Obama Plaza?

Second condition is that I have a locked safe in the car for transporting the gun. Grand as long as I own a car. Does this condition mean that my owning a gun is dependent on me owning a car?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here and bitching for the sake of it. To be honest it's easy enough for me to comply with those conditions. I'm just pointing out that some conditions could be hard to follow in certain circumstances.

Mellor wrote: »

They are perfectly entitled to tell you whatever they want in terms of routes, conditions etc.
Being a good upstanding citizen, you say yes sure and take you license.

But from then on in you follow the actual laws on using and transporting a firearm. If a condition has no basis in law, then it has no basis.

Given that I was told in writing that my licence was granted subject to certain conditions, I wouldn't like to be the test case in court if I ignored any of those conditions.

Grizzly 45 · 27-10-2020 1:04pm

tudderone wrote: »

I always wondered about these stipulations too, how far can the supers/chief supers go legally ? I heard of one CS telling a centrefire pistol shooter, the route he had to take from his home to the range, the exact roads, there and back again if he needed petrol he was snookered as he would have to deviate from the route.

How far should they be allowed go in a democracy ?

Like putting "safes" in your car and this example,are "Vexatious and unreasonable" What does the guy do if he wants to go shoot a comp on a different range in the country? Or there is a diversion off his approved route?In itself, it is a very dumb condition from a security standpoint as well.as if anywhere he is compromised in his security and routine,it becomes an academic exercise in how to stop and relive him of said firearm.

Safes are not an easy thing either in a car. Not all cars are the same and neither are gun safes.Bit of a bummer if you are driving a 2 seater sports car with a boot that you can just about get a slimline briefcase into.:roll eyes:

ASFIK the guidelines say in a sleeve and inaccessible to the occupants' driver while driving so get one of these. Single or double holder, lockable and inaccessible to both occupants and driver when in motion and out of sight. Cost about 40 quid with shipping for the double. Getting one of those actually fulfils the guideline recommendations,As German hunters have had the same requirements for years now and you can argue a compromise with this. Would even go as a "locked container" if you use one of the sleeves to carry the ammo as well.

https://jagd-platz-shop.de/WebRoot/Store28/Shops/be6cabf9-b6f8-41c9-a6bc-09a4fcf8be60/5A8F/0256/6B20/3972/0CAB/0A48/3572/C976/Unbenannt.png

BattleCorp · 27-10-2020 1:14pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Like putting "safes" in your car and this example,are "Vexatious and unreasonable"

Safes are not an easy thing either in a car. Not all cars are the same and neither are gun safes.Bit of a bummer if you are driving a 2 seater sports car with a boot that you can just about get a slimline briefcase into.:roll eyes:

ASFIK the guidelines say in a sleeve and inaccessible to the occupants' driver while driving so get one of these.

To be honest, it was a condition to have a lockable metal box that could be affixed to my car and not a safe. It was just easier for me to use a safe.

I put it in the car whenever I am bringing my restricted rifles anywhere. It's chained and padlocked so that someone will need to go to a little bit of effort to snatch it out of the car.

Like you said about the car having a small boot, I have to let down one section of the back seat to fit the safe into the boot. Because of that I can't really conceal the fact that I'm transporting a firearm.

Grizzly 45 · 27-10-2020 1:18pm

Could you put a folding stock on it?A perfect justification for one to comply with the chiefs conditions,as it is restricted anyway.:D

BattleCorp · 27-10-2020 7:06pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Could you put a folding stock on it?A perfect justification for one to comply with the chiefs conditions,as it is restricted anyway.:D

I've 3 restricted rifles. It's only practicable to put a folding stock on one of them. Not that I'd bother because I'd more than likely be transporting all three at the same time.

Like I said earlier though, the conditions on my licence are manageable as long as I have my own car and don't have to pee.

jb88 · 30-10-2020 2:45pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

To be honest, it was a condition to have a lockable metal box that could be affixed to my car and not a safe. It was just easier for me to use a safe.

I put it in the car whenever I am bringing my restricted rifles anywhere. It's chained and padlocked so that someone will need to go to a little bit of effort to snatch it out of the car.

Like you said about the car having a small boot, I have to let down one section of the back seat to fit the safe into the boot. Because of that I can't really conceal the fact that I'm transporting a firearm.

Cars have alarms and if your stopped on the way to or from the range its best to be within a good viewing distance.

If they really really want it, they are going to take it, by force if necessary. Ive explained this to a Chief once. What robber is going to use Bolt cutters and a torch or angle grinder when they can take the car.

These type of thefts are rarely opportunist and are often planned. If they want your guns they will take your car as well, why spend time unloading your boot?? There is a nice robber, only one window broke and the boot cleared out how considerate of you...

As for the lad who has everything in his back seat or leaves the jeep running when he goes into the shop and comes out to see no jeep and two shotguns gone, well its happened. (In rural safe Ireland) Nothing recovered.

All future licences should be declined in that respect, as they dont have the competence to own them, but yet they got new guns?
Only in Ireland.

Cass · 04-11-2020 1:14pm

I know the elections are ruling the news and i don't really want to turn this into an election watching thread but i had to ask for someone else's opinion.

They called Arizona for Biden a few hours ago. The count is only at 84% and Biden has an 80,000 lead on Trump with the voting split being less than 1%. That means there are over 470,000 votes still to count and if Trump takes over 60% of them he'll actually win the state.

Then shuffle over to Georgia where the count is at 95% and Trump has a 85,000 lead and the media say its too close to call even though Biden who is taking 47% of the vote would need nearly 70% of the remaining votes to win the state.

Who is calling these? Even the Governor of Arizona has come out publicly saying its way too early to call Arizona.

Grizzly 45 · 04-11-2020 2:37pm

Unlike us where we hand count all our votes, and pigeon hole them for recounting if need be,all by hand.
The US ballot is machine-readable with a barcode and a black dot for your canditate of choice,rather than ticks or X[At least in AZ where I voted by mail it was] So they can also be a lot more predictive on how a state, down to the county is voting and thus giving a much quicker tally.

So that can make it easier to call a state, but of course, there can be mechanical faults as well those delay things with this system.hand sanitizer on the ballot papers have caused a problem in one state,as had running out of ink in another on the machine. Then add onto it if you look at the county sizes how quick they can count a small pouplation with the machine to give you a tally.

Am amazed at the California contamination of AZ. Californians leaving because the state is fuked up, and taking their liberal ideals with them to contaminate their new home.So apprently AZ is now going to be a "pothead " state as well.That or there is some serious voter fraud going on there,as it as way too easy for me to get a ballot ,and proof of residence was abit of a joke TBH.

Cass · 04-11-2020 3:13pm

Maybe what you explained has a bearing but for the moment, and it could be my misunderstanding, that is not what i'm asking.

I understand how they count them and thus how they get a projection of the most likely outcome. However it usually is based on number of votes counted, percentage to each candidate, number of votes remaining, and based on previous split of votes the likely outcome in the state.

However, and at the risk of repeating myself, with only 84% of the vote counted (by machine), and the difference between candidates being roughly 1% how can a state call for a candidate when races in other states which have a higher count percentage (over 94%) and slightly higher difference between the votes for each candidate (over 2.5%) be "too close to call"?

TO put is in simpler terms if the remaining uncounted ballots (16%) were all cast for Trump then the call for Biden is wrong.

Feisar · 04-11-2020 3:16pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Am amazed at the California contamination of AZ. Californians leaving because the state is fuked up, and taking their liberal ideals with them to contaminate their new home.So apprently AZ is now going to be a "pothead " state as well.That or there is some serious voter fraud going on there,as it as way too easy for me to get a ballot ,and proof of residence was abit of a joke TBH.

I have read about this, California people moving out and then surprised/upset at a couple of good old boys shooting guns!

Cass · 04-11-2020 5:51pm

Ok here is another one.

Michigan. Trump leading by over 180,000 votes. The electoral map showed it as leaning Red. 138,000 new ballots "found" and counted with ALL of them going to Biden cutting Trumps lead to 50,000. Meanwhile Biden Reps (on SKY) saying two hours ago that they've won Michigan and are positive it'll be called shortly. Before the votes were counted/"found".

How can 138,000 votes ALL be for the one candidate? It's a statistical impossibility.

Now the electoral map shows it leading as blue with Biden winning.

Uinseann_16 · 04-11-2020 5:55pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Unlike us where we hand count all our votes, and pigeon hole them for recounting if need be,all by hand.
The US ballot is machine-readable with a barcode and a black dot for your canditate of choice,rather than ticks or X[At least in AZ where I voted by mail it was] So they can also be a lot more predictive on how a state, down to the county is voting and thus giving a much quicker tally.

So that can make it easier to call a state, but of course, there can be mechanical faults as well those delay things with this system.hand sanitizer on the ballot papers have caused a problem in one state,as had running out of ink in another on the machine. Then add onto it if you look at the county sizes how quick they can count a small pouplation with the machine to give you a tally.

Am amazed at the California contamination of AZ. Californians leaving because the state is fuked up, and taking their liberal ideals with them to contaminate their new home.So apprently AZ is now going to be a "pothead " state as well.That or there is some serious voter fraud going on there,as it as way too easy for me to get a ballot ,and proof of residence was abit of a joke TBH.

Even Texas is infected with the commiefornians:(

Uinseann_16 · 04-11-2020 5:58pm

Cass wrote: »

Ok here is another one.

Michigan. Trump leading by over 180,000 votes. The electoral map showed it as leaning Red. 138,000 new ballots "found" and counted with ALL of them going to Biden cutting Trumps lead to 50,000. Meanwhile Biden Reps (on SKY) saying two hours ago that they've won Michigan and are positive it'll be called shortly. Before the votes were counted/"found".

How can 138,000 votes ALL be for the one candidate? It's a statistical impossibility.

Now the electoral map shows it leading as blue even though Biden is still behind.

Ive seen videos on Tik Tok with people showiing getting multiple ballots with the typical Vote biden F*ck trump rhetoric so....
It seems rigged to be completely honest
They need Voter ID over there :rolleyes:

Cass · 04-11-2020 6:17pm

I'll be honest, i'd like to see Biden win. People will get to see his "master plan" for dealing with the Chinese virus, cause he says he has one that will fix the things Trump hasn't done, as well as the massive tax hikes he has planned. Then the really good stuff will happen with his ban on guns and taxation of accessories kicks in, or won't because he won't have senate control.

Of course he'll have to get all this done with the first year as his own party have said they don't expect him to make it the full four year term. If they maintain control of Congress then they'll have an easy time confirming their new VP after harris takes over from biden.

So will be interesting times ahead.

One other thing will be the rioting that the MSM push as "peaceful protests". It stopped when the democrats found out it was hurting them in the polls and they threatened to get back to it if Trump won. So if Trump loses and there is no rioting, well how can the dems continue to try and blame Trump supporters?

BattleCorp · 04-11-2020 6:23pm

Cass wrote: »

Ok here is another one.

Michigan. Trump leading by over 180,000 votes. The electoral map showed it as leaning Red. 138,000 new ballots "found" and counted with ALL of them going to Biden cutting Trumps lead to 50,000. Meanwhile Biden Reps (on SKY) saying two hours ago that they've won Michigan and are positive it'll be called shortly. Before the votes were counted/"found".

How can 138,000 votes ALL be for the one candidate? It's a statistical impossibility.

Now the electoral map shows it leading as blue with Biden winning.

For such a technologically advanced country, there does seem to be shenanigans going on surrounding voting.

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