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Champions Cup 2019/20 Round 6 - All to play for

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  • #32
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    If Saracens win tomorrow is it Leinster v Saracens then?

    Some reward.

    Absolute best time to get them.


  • #33
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 12,999 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Absolute best time to get them.

    The best time to get them is not to get them, so cmon Racing.


  • #34
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,096 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    If Saracens win tomorrow is it Leinster v Saracens then?

    Some reward.

    Sarries get TBP then Leinster v Saints
    Sarries get 4 points then Leinster v Sarries
    R92 win then Leinster v Glasgow


    * am assuming Glaws lose in Toulouse


  • #35
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,096 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Toulouse & R92 chasing a big score tmrw for 2nd seed on PD


  • #36
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    The best time to get them is not to get them, so cmon Racing.

    By the time the quarter rolls around Sarries could be confirmed relegated and not allowed to compete in the Champions Cup next season even if they win it.


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  • #37
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Curtis out like a light after getting that knock. Scary stuff for the young lad.


  • #38
    Eod100
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    By the time the quarter rolls around Sarries could be confirmed relegated and not allowed to compete in the Champions Cup next season even if they win it.

    Just announced they are to be relegated alright. Could make them more up for winning tomorrow if anything.


  • #39
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    By the time the quarter rolls around Sarries could be confirmed relegated and not allowed to compete in the Champions Cup next season even if they win it.

    All the more reason they'll really want to go for winning it again this year surely? They've nothing else now to play for.


  • #40
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    As it stands:

    Munster out unfortunately

    Saracens win gets them 8th or 7th with a tbp win

    1) Leinster 28 (123) Q1st
    2) Exeter 27 (81) Q
    3) Clermont 24 (93) Q
    4) Racing 22 (71) Q
    5) Toulouse 22 (56) Q
    6) Ulster 21 (22) q
    7) Northampton 19 (-17) q
    8) Glasgow 17 (26)

    9) Saracens 14 (30)
    10) Gloucester 14 (21)


  • #41
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    yosser hughes wrote: »
    All the more reason they'll really want to go for winning it again this year surely? They've nothing else now to play for.

    But the question is if the players really care? A good portion of them potentially won't be Sarries players next season if they invoke their release clauses. There's been a lot said about Saracen's "culture" but that's been all well and good when they were top of the domestic league and pumping money into the player's futures.


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  • #42
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    But the question is if the players really care? A good portion of them potentially won't be Sarries players next season if they invoke their release clauses. There's been a lot said about Saracen's "culture" but that's been all well and good when they were top of the domestic league and pumping money into the player's futures.

    Well we'll see. They will think of themselves as victims etc. and do it for the supporters. Owen Farrell is not the type of character to give anything but his best.
    I predict a bonus point win for them tomorrow.


  • #43
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    yosser hughes wrote: »
    Well we'll see. They will think of themselves as victims etc. and do it for the supporters. Owen Farrell is not the type of character to give anything but his best.
    I predict a bonus point win for them tomorrow.

    Yeah if anything I think it could be this. Playing in front of their fans at home. Doesn't matter what they do in Premiership as they will be relegated anyways and don't have a hope of winning it either way. Will go all out to be in the qfs


  • #44
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 12,999 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Just announced they are to be relegated alright. Could make them more up for winning tomorrow if anything.

    I'd say this will be the case. The ultimate middle finger to go win Europe.


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    But the question is if the players really care? A good portion of them potentially won't be Sarries players next season if they invoke their release clauses. There's been a lot said about Saracen's "culture" but that's been all well and good when they were top of the domestic league and pumping money into the player's futures.

    Every single player in that squad is in the shop window for the rest of the season, there will be no shortage of motivation. They also have the opportunity to make a bit of a statement by winning the Champions Cup.

    Going to be a fascinating season provided they qualify to the last 8 tomorrow.


  • #46
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Just announced they are to be relegated alright. Could make them more up for winning tomorrow if anything.

    Brilliant
    Bastards

    Would not fancy playing them now


  • #47
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    I’d love to see Exeter v Saracens

    The ultimate rugby good v evil!


  • #48
    Burkie1203
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    Sarries opted for relegation instead of opening the books for full audit. Player hung out to dry there. They may not give a sh1t tmrw


  • #49
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Sarries opted for relegation instead of opening the books for full audit. Player hung out to dry there. They may not give a sh1t tmrw

    Things must be even worse then expected if they chose relegation.. Surely that decision alone would ring alarm bells? You'd wonder was a certain Irish football administrator moonlighting there tbh, it's that bad..!


  • #50
    Ribs1234
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Ribs1234


    Is there no good sportsman ship clause in Champions Cup? Like: no club will bring the competition into disrepute? Could European rugby kick them out too? After all they shouldn’t have qualified for previous tournaments when they were cheating.


  • #51
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Ribs1234 wrote: »
    Is there no good sportsman ship clause in Champions Cup? Like: no club will bring the competition into disrepute? Could European rugby kick them out too? After all they shouldn’t have qualified for previous tournaments when they were cheating.

    You'd rather someone like Leinster just go out and hammer them. Far sweeter.


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  • #52
    Burkie1203
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    Sarries players meet the board Monday and tuesday. Can't imagine they will all be fully focused tomorrow when they literally have to do consider their futures in the next 25 to 48 hours


  • #53
    Eod100
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    You'd rather someone like Leinster just go out and hammer them. Far sweeter.

    Or Racing so there's not questions around Saracens being able to get into knock-outs this season.

    But yeah think cos it's end of pool stages they could hardly kick them out if they qualify. Whether rules change between now and next time Saracens may be eligible to play in CC is another question.

    If they're relegated for 21/22 season, best case scenario is they are promoted for 22/23 and qualify for Europe to play in the 23/24 season. Should make the next few seasons a bit more open.


  • #54
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Absolute best time to get them.

    Their best players will probably be coming in on the back of a grand slam, and they'll be gunning to win one last trophy with the club

    It would be a horror draw for Leinster (who lest we forget nearly lost to Ulster last year at this stage). They would absolutely thump any of the other possibilities


  • #55
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    The brilliantly ironic thing about their relegation: no salary cap in the championship
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jan/18/saracens-relegated-end-of-season-premiership-rugby


  • #56
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    The brilliantly ironic thing about their relegation: no salary cap in the championship
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jan/18/saracens-relegated-end-of-season-premiership-rugby

    They need to obey the cap to be promoted.


  • #57
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    jr86 wrote: »
    Their best players will probably be coming in on the back of a grand slam, and they'll be gunning to win one last trophy with the club

    It would be a horror draw for Leinster (who lest we forget nearly lost to Ulster last year at this stage). They would absolutely thump any of the other possibilities

    If Leinster have to play Saracens then at home in a QF is the best place to do it. Leinster would be strong favourites.


  • #58
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    They need to obey the cap to be promoted.

    At the end of season no?
    i.e keep Farrell and co. on current contracts. Win promotion. “Organise” books for new season showing they will be in accordance with cap.


  • #59
    Eod100
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Sarries players meet the board Monday and tuesday. Can't imagine they will all be fully focused tomorrow when they literally have to do consider their futures in the next 25 to 48 hours

    Yeah the timing of announcement is interesting. Night before their last pool game. It was probably inevitable with all speculation in media and players probably knew in advance but still


  • #60
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    At the end of season no?
    i.e keep Farrell and co. on current contracts. Win promotion. “Organise” books for new season showing they will be in accordance with cap.
    It's not that easy to 'cook' accounts. Hence their reluctance to show them now and how they got caught in the first place.


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  • #61
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    At the end of season no?
    i.e keep Farrell and co. on current contracts. Win promotion. “Organise” books for new season showing they will be in accordance with cap.

    Nope. They won't be able to be promoted next season under the current salary cap regulations. They'd have to show their compliance to the cap for the 2019/20 season, and the previous season (this season)

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