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Do men ever read women authors and vice versa?

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    #122
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    creditcarder wrote: »
    If you have sex for a living I imagine you know how to get off ;)

    Know how?
    Its not a trade secret.we all know how.

    If you think prostitutes don't sometimes have to fake it to get repeat custom or pornstars don't fake it to make a good film, I'm afraid youre being naive.

    No idea how theres an orange thumbs down up there, must have pressed it by mistake.


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    #123
    Assetbacked
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    The Man Booker Prize has become a women's prize.


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    #124
    Rufeo
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    The Man Booker Prize has become a women's prize.

    What makes you say that?


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    #125
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Know how?
    Its not a trade secret.we all know how.

    If you think prostitutes don't sometimes have to fake it to get repeat custom or pornstars don't fake it to make a good film, I'm afraid youre being naive.

    No idea how theres an orange thumbs down up there, must have pressed it by mistake.


    I think exagerate might be a better term tbh. If you have sex for a living in a rather female dominated industry, the man better be good at what he does :P


    Prostitues are a little bit different as the duration is much shorter and it's more on the males imo.


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    #126
    NewMan1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭NewMan1982


    I couldn’t even tell you the name of the authors of the books I read.


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    #127
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    It’s not though, is it, J? Not really.

    I mean, I’m sure once you’ve thumbed through your Clarkson “prick lit” you might go perusing through Eason to see if they have a McNab you haven’t read or maybe, even, an Iggulden but that’s not everyone.

    I’d say out of the last 10 books I’ve read, all fiction, 3 were by women. If a book “interests” me, I’ll read it. I’m not going to worry about the gender of the author.

    I can just imagine the Peterson types squirming and saying “ewww “ if they even had to hold a book authored by a woman but that says more about them, really.

    Widely read man, Emmet.

    The name of the woman on Seán Moncrieff was Helen Taylor. Why Women Read Fiction: The Stories of Our Lives is the book she wrote.

    Women buyers account for 80% of all fiction sales.

    “According to Nielsen Book Research, women outbuy men in all categories of novel except fantasy, science fiction and horror. And when men do read fiction, they don’t tend to read fiction by women, while Taylor claims that women read and admire male novelists, rarely making value judgments”.


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    #128
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
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    storker wrote: »
    1. Yes but not many...but because of the book, not the author. If I'm interested in the subject then I don't care who wrote it.
    Do you find that with your preferred topics or genres, women don't tend to write many of the books in those categories?
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Question for female boardsies:

    Any of you read Sven Hassel or similar war novelist?
    Joseph Heller wrote Catch 22, my favourite author since childhood. Although I prefer Something Happened.


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    #129
    EmmetSpiceland
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    Johnny Morris wrote: »
    'Why yes, my white knightery is a ploy designed to help me lose my virginity. How could you tell?'

    Married man, with kids, here, bub. Kindly go back to your comics and “superhero” films, there’s a good lad.

    The tide is turning…



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    #130
    Greyfox
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    vriesmays wrote: »
    Well name some movies you like from outside the Hollywood system directed by women.

    You missing the point. People watch more films with male directors because most films are directed by men, their simply isnt enough female directors for your argument to be vaid. As it happens I've watched loads of foreign films and for 99% of them I'll never know if they were directed by a man or woman as its completely irrelevant.

    It's different with books which is why the most successful author still alive is a woman (Rowling, deservidly so imo)


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    #131
    circadian
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    Johnny Morris wrote: »
    Apart from Silas Marner and To Kill A Mockingbird in school, I don't think I've ever read a book by a non white male.

    Sue me.

    What a badass.


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    #132
    vriesmays
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    My point is very few movies directed by women are good. That's why they're not watched.


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    #133
    Assetbacked
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    Rufeo wrote: »
    What makes you say that?

    Judging panel for the most recent prize was almost entirely women (4 out of 5), most contenders were female books as well (4 women and 2 men).


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    #134
    [Deleted User]
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    Borg Cube wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me that men and women would read different genres and tend to gravitate towards authors of the same gender. The male and female brain differ significantly.

    Fair point.
    An illustration of it is when your having a night in with the other half and searching for a movie on Netflix. There's usually a bit of a compromise involved, like watch one for her first and one for me after. Why would books be any different.


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    #135
    The Tetrarch
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    I almost never read fiction.
    Beside my bed are eight books, six of them computer programming, one biography, one a bibliography.
    Two have no author (Microsoft), two by women, four by men.

    When buying a book I read a few lines. If it is badly written waffle it goes back on the shelf.
    I open another section of the book and read more. If I am still interested I repeat.
    The book has to educate me.

    A 500 page paperback with a pink cover is not for me.


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    #136
    The White Wolf
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    Yes, ranging from Mary Shelley to JK Rowling to Lane Moore.


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    #137
    [Deleted User]
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    Johnny Morris wrote: »
    My favourite fiction authors are men like Hemingway, Bukowski, Irvine Welsh etc. No woman could create characters and stories like they do. But that is not to say female authors are bad, instead they are unlikely to create work that appeals to.

    Cormac Mccarthy has never written a main female character, he said he can't figure them out or something. Very honest chap. Great writer.


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    #138
    EmmetSpiceland
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Cormac Mccarthy has never written a main female character, he said he can't figure them out or something. Very honest chap. Great writer.

    Yeah, he’s great for using large font and generous line spacing.

    The tide is turning…



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    #139
    [Deleted User]
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    It's probably a genre rather than gender thing. It certainly seems that men write the majority of fantasy/horror/action and adventure books. I've got a fondness of mindless escapist fiction - it's not all I read, but I do like it - where everything works out perfectly in the end, and most of those authors are female. One gender favors the stories where the hero saves the world and gets the girl, the other favors the stories where the heroine saves herself and gets the man. One is not more worthy than the other, least of all on the basis of gender. That's just the nature of popular fiction.

    I also like a lot of science fiction, non-fiction, and more weighty literary fiction and these seem to have a more even gender split. I just read whatever I'm in the mood for. If you're discounting books on the basis of the authors gender, it's a petty nonsense of a reason.


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    #140
    Raconteuse
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    Of course I read works by male authors. Does the question really need to be asked?


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    #141
    nkl12xtw5goz70
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    The White Wolf wrote: »
    Yes, ranging from Mary Shelley to JK Rowling to Lane Moore.

    If Frankenstein, you're likely reading a mishmash of Mary and Percy Bysshe Shelley.


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    #142
    storker
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    Jasper Tall Urination wrote: »
    Do you find that with your preferred topics or genres, women don't tend to write many of the books in those categories?

    Definitely.
    Joseph Heller wrote Catch 22, my favourite author since childhood. Although I prefer Something Happened.

    Probably the most depressing book I've read, apart from Pet Sematary.


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    #143
    rdhma
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    vriesmays wrote: »
    My point is very few movies directed by women are good. That's why they're not watched.

    You for real?
    Very few movies directed by *anyone* are good. That's why they're not watched.


    A few good movies I can think of straight off...

    Lost in Translation - Sofia Coppola
    Shrek - Vicky Jenson
    The Piano - Jane Campion
    The Hurt Locker - Kathryn Bigelow
    We need to talk about Kevin - Lynne Ramsey
    Ratcatcher - Lynne Ramsey
    Faces Places - Agnès Varda
    Lady Bird - Greta Gerwig
    Winter's Bone - Debra Granik
    American Psycho Mary Harron
    Big - Penny Marshall


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    #144
    Immortal Starlight
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    I'm a woman and it's never mattered to me if the book I'm reading has been written by a man or a woman. As long as the story draws me in and keeps me turning the pages that's all I want.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    The Man Booker Prize has become a women's prize.

    Yeah male winners 7 of the last 10 years. Total women's award!

    19 women have won it over the last 50 years. It's a wonder why men bother at all.


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    #146
    Sober Crappy Chemis
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    Johnny Morris wrote: »
    Apart from Silas Marner and To Kill A Mockingbird in school, I don't think I've ever read a book by a non white male.

    Sue Me

    Never heard of her. Genre?


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    Church on Tuesday
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Yeah, he’s great for using large font and generous line spacing.

    You do know that is the publishers prerogative right?


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    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    rdhma wrote: »
    You for real?
    Very few movies directed by *anyone* are good. That's why they're not watched.


    A few good movies I can think of straight off...

    Lost in Translation - Sofia Coppola
    Shrek - Vicky Jenson
    The Piano - Jane Campion
    The Hurt Locker - Kathryn Bigelow
    We need to talk about Kevin - Lynne Ramsey
    Ratcatcher - Lynne Ramsey
    Faces Places - Agnès Varda
    Lady Bird - Greta Gerwig
    Winter's Bone - Debra Granik
    American Psycho Mary Harron
    Big - Penny Marshall

    That's the grand sum of eleven movies. Might as well list two female rock bands and say they're just as good as most male rock bands.


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    #149
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
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    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    “Chick lit” is just a term used for crapping on a type of literature that some people don’t like. Celia Ahern was right not to accept the term for her work.

    However, her defence did seem a little like she was “passing the buck”. Sort of saying hers wasn’t but maybe others are. Like, say, Marion Keyes? And I’m sure she’d bristle at the suggestion herself.

    I’d be disgusted if I were an author who’s “work” was being summarily dismissed like that.

    It’s coming from the same people who’ll use the term “magical realism” to deflect from the fact they are reading “fantasy”.

    The same crowd were the ones reading Harry Potter books but with the “grownup” covers.

    Maybe some people do that, but magical realism is a distinct genre quite different to fantasy.


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    #150
    Airyfairy12
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    Female authors are advised not to use their full name on their book covers and only use their first initial so people will assume theyre men because less people will buy their books if they know the author is female. That's why the likes of Joanne Rowling used the initials J.K on her Harry Potter books.

    Op youre very small minded.


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    #151
    creditcarder
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    vriesmays wrote: »
    That's the grand sum of eleven movies. Might as well list two female rock bands and say they're just as good as most male rock bands.


    In fairness, women have always been good at making movies and books, it's just a) A lot of female writers write in genres dominated by female readers (YA, romance, crime) and the writing is very aimed at that genre, and b) there seems to be an endless constraint on writing female characters in teh past few years.



    Here, why don't we have fun and name a good book/movie by the opposite gender?



    Robbin Hobb is a master imo.


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