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UFC 254 - Khabib v Gaethje

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    #362
    Fall_Guy
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    glasso wrote: »
    is this sort of rubbish being put out there why he is so dominant?

    he doesn't look that much bigger to me.

    they both get weighed the day before and that's the long and short of it.

    Khabib has a lean wiry build to start with.

    Gaethje looks broader even in this clip ffs

    It's not like McGregor fighting midgets at 145

    It kind of IS like the mcgregor 145 comparison, it's just that it held as little water (no pun intended) in that case as it does in this one. Well, it probably is a bit more valid in this case given that khabib has missed weight and mcgregor never did, but as you said above, if they make weight the day before that's the long and the short of it...


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    #363
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,499 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    glasso wrote:
    Gaethje looks broader even in this clip ffs
    It's even worse than that.


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    #364
    Liamo_mu
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    It would have been nice to see Khabib go a division up.

    I have always said Khabib at 155 is like McGregor at 145. Near unbeatable.

    Khabib up a division would still be top class and probably become champ but I think like McGregor at 155 he would be beatable.


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    #365
    Gamb!t
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    I wonder will he (Khabbib) go into coaching?


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    #366
    MrStuffins
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    Can't wait to see how Khabib's record looks in the record books

    25-0*
    26-0*
    27-0*
    28-0*
    29-0*


    *Looked slightly bigger than opponent on Twitter


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    #367
    Gamb!t
    Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Can't wait to see how Khabib's record looks in the record books

    25-0*
    26-0*
    27-0*
    28-0*
    29-0*


    *Looked slightly bigger than opponent on Twitter
    Khabbib The Eagle Big man Numagomedov.


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    #368
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Gamb!t wrote: »
    Khabbib The Eagle Big man Numagomedov.

    I mean, look at these guys! Khabib looks like he should be fighting Jon Jones! How dare be fight in the class they both he and his opponent made weight for?

    1229237555.jpg.0.jpg


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    #369
    Zero-Cool
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I mean, look at these guys! Khabib looks like he should be fighting Jon Jones! How dare be fight in the class they both he and his opponent made weight for?

    1229237555.jpg.0.jpg

    Yeah i didn't get the size thing and that pic confirms it. He made 155, don't care how much weight he put on over Justin. Now Nate, Nate was tree times the size of Conor.


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    #370
    ASOT
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    Gamb!t wrote: »
    I wonder will he (Khabbib) go into coaching?

    He said in a video with him and Javier Mendez that he will be.


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    #371
    Homelander
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    Was actually a banging card even outside the main, great fights. Only one decision out of six fights, and the UD fight was a good one too.

    The main itself....amazing show of dominance by Khabib, made Justin look amateur with that unrelenting heavy pressure. Surprised Justin offered so little defense on the ground though, but he was off from the get go.

    I mean, putting aside all that ludicrious "McGregor was exposed/found out/embarrassed" nonsense that gets peddled, McGregor's performance at the time wasn't bad at all all things considered, and retrospectively seems one of the better opponents.

    Have to hand it to Khabib though, 29-0 and making the best in the division look like amateurs for the most part. An absolutely incredible fighter that got better with every fight.

    Shame he's retiring, but equally it's incredibly exciting to see what happens the top 5 in the division now. Dying to see who Michael Chandler faces off against, hope his run doesn't mirror that of Askren!


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    #372
    eagle eye
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    MrStuffins wrote:
    I mean, look at these guys! Khabib looks like he should be fighting Jon Jones! How dare be fight in the class they both he and his opponent made weight for?
    Did you see the weigh in? Nothing questionable about it for you?


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    #373
    Gamb!t
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    Jones isnt too happy if he's bumped down the P4P rankings with Khabib's 3 title defences compared to his.


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    #374
    jammiedodgers
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    Gamb!t wrote: »
    Jones isnt too happy if he's bumped down the P4P rankings with Khabib's 3 title defences compared to his.

    I'm sure he can do a few bumps to raise his spirits


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    #375
    MrStuffins
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Did you see the weigh in? Nothing questionable about it for you?

    Give it up dude. You're acting as if they were a weight class apart in there. It's desperate. You know it and everyone else knows it.

    He beat Gaethje with pressure, with relentlessness, with superior grappling and, in the end, submitted him.

    If you think that Gaethje's defensive grappling would have been dramatically different, if he wouldn't have allowed Khabib to mount him so easily and not let Khabib get a mounted triangle on him if Khabib was a couple of pounds lighter then there's nothing more to say to you.


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    #376
    yourdeadwright
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    I still think Jon Jones has a legitimate argument to make
    Khabib has lost less rounds no quesrion but Jones has gone through about 3 generations of LHW, and been beating top guys from the off in his career, All while being a bit of a screw up,
    Personally for me Khabib list of foes is no where near as impressive, Its not even as impressive as GSPs
    GSP also won two belts

    If Jones wins the heavey weight strap Surley hw is number 1

    But........Then there the failed testes


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    #377
    dashoonage
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I still think Jon Jones has a legitimate argument to make
    Khabib has lost less rounds no quesrion but Jones has gone through about 3 generations of LHW, and been beating top guys from the off in his career, All while being a bit of a screw up,
    Personally for me Khabib list of foes is no where near as impressive, Its not even as impressive as GSPs
    GSP also won two belts

    If Jones wins the heavey weight strap Surley hw is number 1

    But........Then there the failed testes

    Jones is a **** though. - 1000 GOAT points


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    #378
    MrStuffins
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    dashoonage wrote: »
    Jones is a **** though. - 1000 GOAT points

    If we're talking GOAT, then I think I has to be Jones.

    Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Rashad, Vitor, Gus, DC........ he beat them all.

    Is there a better CV in MMA? I'm not sure!


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    #379
    yourdeadwright
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    Regardless of Khabib, Justin will be kicking himself forone reason and it may not have made a dam difference but why oh why oh why do fighters get to the big dance (Costa last) and decide to change what got them there

    Justin has NEVER circled and ran to the left yet that was his game plan, He alwayss goes in and out and fights you dirty if you get close he does not circle or in this case run in a circle,Yes he was less gun ho aginst Tony but nothing like last night

    Its obvious from all week he disnt want to get put aginst the fence but knstead of doing what he always does and come forward so he does not get oushed back he circled to stop it., Its the reason he was so, nackered not because of the action of circling but because he had to keep thinking about circling and worry about it instead of just soi g what he does

    Why do coaches think he can change his stayle in 8 weeks and beat a guy who just has to do what he always foes

    Justin should have stood his ground and fought how he always does, i just dont understand not backing yourself when hou finally get the big shot,

    We all wactejx because we thoguht Justin would stand and makenit a dog fight once was over occupied with what Khabib was goong to do it was over


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    #380
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,519 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Not taking anything away for Kabib but as some said he is a bit like Conor at 145, hes unbeatable at the weight

    Do you lads think he could use his sfyle so effectively at Welter weight?
    It bit crazy at 155 there is no real high level wrestler near the top of the pile, 170 seems to be dominated by them so for me it would have been so intresting to see him up there


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    #381
    MidlanderMan
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Not taking anything away for Kabib but as some said he is a bit like Conor at 145, hes unbeatable at the weight

    Do you lads think he could use his sfyle so effectively at Welter weight?
    It bit crazy at 155 there is no real high level wrestler near the top of the pile, 170 seems to be dominated by them so for me it would have been so intresting to see him up there

    No real high level wrestlers?

    Justin is a division 1 all American who bullied Jordan Burroughs and knocked his teeth out in a match.


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    #382
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,519 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    No real high level wrestlers?

    Justin is a division 1 all American who bullied Jordan Burrows and knocked his teeth out in a match.

    Yes hes 31 now and he hasnt shown any wreslting in MMA for years (hasn't had to) When have u ever seen him shoot for a take down? He has never scored a take down in the UFC and has a 69% take down defence

    Guys like Colby, Usman, Mia and co wreslte and grapple in every fight

    By the way they wrestled twice and Burroughs beat him twice easy, (he did however lose a tooth from hitting his head)


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    #383
    eagle eye
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    MrStuffins wrote:
    Give it up dude. You're acting as if they were a weight class apart in there. It's desperate. You know it and everyone else knows it.
    I am saying it looked like a weight class between them. I didn't see anybody flatly deny it was the case last night either.
    Are you denying it?
    I asked you about the weigh in but you didn't answer. Did you see the weigh in?


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    #384
    MidlanderMan
    Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭MidlanderMan


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I am saying it looked like a weight class between them. I didn't see anybody flatly deny it was the case last night either.
    Are you denying it?
    I asked you about the weigh in but you didn't answer. Did you see the weigh in?

    You're obsessed. It's weird.

    Khabib would be a tiny welter weight. He's no bigger at LW than fighters like RDA, Cowboy, or Nate Diaz were/are. They are all tiny at welter weight.

    There could be an arguement that if there was a 10lbs difference between weight classes he could fit better at 165 with the likes of Diaz, RDA, Cowboy etc, but the division doesn't exist, so the arguement is stupid.


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    #385
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Not taking anything away for Kabib but as some said he is a bit like Conor at 145, hes unbeatable at the weight

    Do you lads think he could use his sfyle so effectively at Welter weight?
    It bit crazy at 155 there is no real high level wrestler near the top of the pile, 170 seems to be dominated by them so for me it would have been so intresting to see him up there

    No, the lads at 170 would be too big for him he'd be mauled. Colby would be a smaller ww and would give him no end of trouble with his wrestling and unending cardio.


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    #386
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,519 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    No, the lads at 170 would be too big for him he'd be mauled. Colby would be a smaller ww and would give him no end of trouble with his wrestling and unending cardio.

    Be so interesting to see him agisnt those guys,
    I reckon hed win some & lose some.


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    #387
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Regardless of Khabib, Justin will be kicking himself forone reason and it may not have made a dam difference but why oh why oh why do fighters get to the big dance (Costa last) and decide to change what got them there

    Justin has NEVER circled and ran to the left yet that was his game plan, He alwayss goes in and out and fights you dirty if you get close he does not circle or in this case run in a circle,Yes he was less gun ho aginst Tony but nothing like last night

    Its obvious from all week he disnt want to get put aginst the fence but knstead of doing what he always does and come forward so he does not get oushed back he circled to stop it., Its the reason he was so, nackered not because of the action of circling but because he had to keep thinking about circling and worry about it instead of just soi g what he does

    Why do coaches think he can change his stayle in 8 weeks and beat a guy who just has to do what he always foes

    Justin should have stood his ground and fought how he always does, i just dont understand not backing yourself when hou finally get the big shot,

    We all wactejx because we thoguht Justin would stand and makenit a dog fight once was over occupied with what Khabib was goong to do it was over

    He should have hired you instead of Trevor Whittman


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    #388
    MrStuffins
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I am saying it looked like a weight class between them. I didn't see anybody flatly deny it was the case last night either.

    These guys look a weight class apart?

    1229237555.jpg.0.jpg

    I asked you about the weigh in but you didn't answer. Did you see the weigh in?

    Yes, I saw the weigh in. Khabib looked like a man who had been cutting weight. Still though, he weighed 155.

    Get over it pal!


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    #389
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Be so interesting to see him agisnt those guys,
    I reckon hed win some & lose some.

    He'd probably beat some of the lower ranked guys, but any of the top lads would likely destroy him, they'd be much, much bigger than him bar one or two.


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    #390
    US2
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    Did Eagle lose his 1 euro bet or something .


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    #391
    Vestiapx
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Not taking anything away for Kabib but as some said he is a bit like Conor at 145, hes unbeatable at the weight

    Do you lads think he could use his sfyle so effectively at Welter weight?
    It bit crazy at 155 there is no real high level wrestler near the top of the pile, 170 seems to be dominated by them so for me it would have been so intresting to see him up there

    Usman is a whole different thing and he knows it . 55 - 70 is a huge, giant, massive difference. Maybe he could do it but it would not be like when Conor belted Eddie around the ring.


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