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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2019 / 2020 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    GFS 12Z has upped the wind speeds for over next weekend, more so than the ECM 0Z . Will see if the ECM 12Z follows suit.

    Both showing a windy Monday 10th, ECM has the LP closer the next day than the GFS. Long way off of course.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The AO was extremely positive for much of January (it has been positive the entire winter). There is the possibility of record breaking AO positivity over the next two weeks, off the scale type stuff, keeping zonality absolutely locked in over the next few weeks. This is pretty much the final nail in the coffin for Winter 2019/2020. Westerlies will be the only game in town for probably the rest of February.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Most positive AO figure I can find for Februaries past is the 26th Feb 1990 with a figure of +5.911. Latest GFS 12z has pulled back a little from the more extreme values of earlier runs, but still forecasting a high at around +5.0 around the 10th.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM 12Z just out and not going for much wind next Saturday , showing it becoming very windy on Sunday into the early hours of Monday morning, windy throughout the day and then to Tues into Weds ......... Well, that is out at about 220 hrs and firmly in FI but the ECM has been showing a deepening storm with a large wind field track off the NW getting down to 935 hPa on the latest run and showing very severe weather potential. Been hinting at some inclement weather for next week now for a number of runs.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    The GFS 18z is showing some sort of a snowstorm on the 11th with a very tight gradient over England. It obviously won't happen but it's something to look at!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Artane2002 wrote: »
    The GFS 18z is showing some sort of a snowstorm on the 11th with a very tight gradient over England. It obviously won't happen but it's something to look at!

    theres the snow storm:
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    looks very cold that day too:
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    I would agree there is probably about a 0.0000001% chance of this happening, a cold Atlantic flow but no real cold air in place, snow maybe for the highest peaks but widespread disruptive snow across the south from a westerly is about as likely as 30C from a westerly in August! Even if there was cold air in place from an easterly or northerly, Ireland usually has a rough time with anything wintry turning to rain very quickly once the Atlantic is involved.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Feb 10th to 12th has been cold and snowy since it reached 384hrs a few days back. Amazing if it were to come to pass.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,876 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Snow is the most impossible thing in Ireland to predict weather wise. Only yesterday Met Eireann predicted "falls of sleet and snow" for tonight but a slight shift north of the pattern has removed this.

    However from this weekend onwards for quite a few days the weather looks "lively" with gales and wintry showers the order of the day


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    GFS 06z brings back the vicious storm for next week, ECM showing a weaker system but further North. whatever happens the weather looks interesting from Sunday onwards.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM and GFS quite similar now for strengthening winds Sat Evening into Sunday and becoming very windy across the country on Sunday. Also some high rainfall totals showing up at this stage ( lucky that we will be after a fairly dry week ), more so the Western side of the country, all finer details subject to change but certainly trending very unsettled over the weekend into next week.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Both ECM and GFS showing very strong or stormy conditions around late Tues or Weds, different timing and the track has been changing from run to run but looks like there could be some sort of stormy conditions around then, GFS toaday showing a direct hit in the Southern half of the country and ECM showing something similar if not as strong. These charts will continue to change but looks like something might be brewing.

    Current tracks, which will more than likely be different in the next run but just an idea where it is at, very deep , fast moving, GFS deepening on approach, ECM just starting to fill. The storm has a long track to cover and all depends on the jets position. Models showing very steep temperature gradients and both showing very cold air could be pulled in from the W or N/W producing wintry conditions , snow a possibility. A lot of weather happening from the Weekend .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Looking very very severe on the GFS, almost a certainty to change however.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS starting to see more sense from the low pressure on the 11th of February, the uppers now clearly show a warm sector over Ireland which would mean mostly rain, however the days either side of this are colder and possibly wintry. The main thing to notice about this period is probably the wind, looks very windy indeed.

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    looks fairly chilly overall from the 10th to the 14th of February, but this is zonal cold, so there is the possibility these days may downgrade the chill as times get closer. Certainly looks very unsettled in this period with plenty of wind and rain and maybe some wintryness.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    12Z intriguing but unlikely.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM 12C showing strong W'ly winds across the country on Sunday ,windy on Monday Tuesday ,wintry and bitter cold with temperatures probably in the 4 to 6C range or thereabouts, considerable windchill likely.

    ECM 12Z showing that storm take a more Nly route on Weds away from Ireland on the latest run, showing Ireland avoiding the strongest winds. Has another system hot on it's heels coming close to Ireland around Thursday .

    Probably a temperature rise with heavy rain on Weds and could get very cold again and wintry on Thursday.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,441 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Plenty of snow showers would be rattling through here

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    typhoony wrote: »
    GFS 06z brings back the vicious storm for next week, ECM showing a weaker system but further North. whatever happens the weather looks interesting from Sunday onwards.

    That run gave me a good laugh, I don't think I've ever laughed at a model run before! It was showing widespread snow and severe winds, with off-the-scale 150+ km/h gusts touching the south coast and later on the east coast!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Logan Roy


    Artane2002 wrote: »
    That run gave me a good laugh, I don't think I've ever laughed at a model run before! It was showing widespread snow and severe winds, with off-the-scale 150+ km/h gusts touching the south coast and later on the east coast!!

    We said similar about Ophelia and Emma ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭esposito


    Plenty of snow showers would be rattling through here

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    Hopefully on a more widespread scale and not just limited to the north and west.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The 18z is violent
    Can it be that bad though or will the downgrades happen...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Rougies


    esposito wrote: »
    Hopefully on a more widespread scale and not just limited to the north and west.


    They would be fast moving so they would make it further inland before dissipating alright, with the downside being they pass over areas quicker giving less time for accumulations. We would probably see a few flakes and a dusting here and there on the eastern side of the country with the north and west getting some half decent accumulations. Maybe something more interesting with any instability features passing through. I'd bank it at this stage as a snow starved Dubliner!


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Coastal areas of the west would likely be held a few degrees warmer in this scenario so it would likely be rain and hail for them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    The 18z is violent
    Can it be that bad though or will the downgrades happen...

    That would be really destructive, a different level of storm.

    There is a trend for something very severe around next Tuesday


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Rougies


    The 18z is violent
    Can it be that bad though or will the downgrades happen...


    The GFS has been moving the storm north the past three runs so it's likely it will continue to do so and move towards the ECM which has it quite far north as per Meteorite's post a the top of the page.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    No comment

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Indeed it may move more North in subsequent runs. In the meantime though Monday is moving more into the reliable for cold and snow!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Start preparing now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    No comment

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    Gusts of over 150km/h in Dublin as well as other places! That would be destructive indeed. The GFS obviously as we all know has a tendency to overdo lows so it's hard to take seriously.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    GEM very similar to the track and intensity of the GFS.

    Would have to suspect that it will drift North and they usually ease off on the wind speeds a bit closer to the event. ECM further N showing gusts over water of around 170km/h.

    Intriguing though. If there is going to be a big weather event this winter, next week has all the hallmarks of one I think.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    tonight's GFS if it happened would easily make it to a red level warning for most of Ireland, England and Wales. It's an insane chart and I can't imagine it being anywhere that windy, however a very windy day is certainly possible if it was a direct hit, but I just can't imagine those sort of windspeeds. Very interesting weather watching for the first time this winter, expect alot of updates here over the next few days, we will probably end up with something far more sensible and ordinary.


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