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02-02-2017, 12:31   #31
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AMD will provide Windows 7 drivers.
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I am not trying to compare the FX-8350 with the Core i5 6600k. I am saying that AMD's Zen CPU that will be similar in price to the FX-8350 is said to be on par with the i5 6600k. Which is why I used the FX-8350 price as a reference.

I said that I think that the budget market is basically non existent when it comes to Intel. My first build was a budget build with a Radeon 6850 and an FX-6100 so I definitely know that budget builds are possible. I also didn't single out budget builds as the only ones that are cheaper in the US. I just used them as an example.

So you think that now AMD are back, they will forget about budget pc builders. how would that make sense, company's need to sell CPUs, not hold on to them.
There has to be a budget line it makes no sense not to have one.
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I'm not encouraged by the time slips, and the big gap between the initial launch and apu release. Zen was originally due last year, and even up to summer they were claiming late December. Then it was q1, and they'll barely make that with their hand picked halo parts. AMD's whole strategy was supposed to revolve around ditching the cpu and transitioning solely to an apu; failing to get the apu out until the second half of the year, with still very vague timelines, is not at all a good sign.

Hopefully I'm wrong but I'm not getting a fuzzy feeling here.
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I'd imagine we will see the 2/4 core cpus when the apu line launches as there will be 4/8 and 2/4 apu's. This will obviously be a different manufacturing process so they don't have to cut down an 8/16 processor to make a 2/4 like they would with the current Ryzen cpu's. The budget cpu's will be apu's.

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Yeah that pretty confirms that you will have to wait for the APU's for the budget 2/4 parts although the base 4/4 Ryzen R3 Pro 1100 would probably be around the same price of €100.

I wish AMD used the clock speed for the naming conventions last number for good clear branding but they always have to be awkward. It's quite clear from their branding which products are competing with intels counterparts though. R3, R5 and R7 are obviously competing with i3, i5 and i7 so they should be priced in that neck of the woods.

That top 1800x part is already confirmed to be at least 3.6ghz base and 4ghz boost.

It's also confirmed that single cores overclock as high as 5ghz on air so there's no problem with the architecture going that high. It's just a matter of cooling and silicon lottery.

As soon as these hit the market it will make 0 sense to get an Intel CPU unless you really want marginally better IPC at the cost of losing 2-4 cores.

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Depending on the price of the top 8core/16thread CPU I might switch over from my 6700k and build herself something around that. All depends on price and IPC performance though
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I'd imagine we will see the 2/4 core cpus when the apu line launches as there will be 4/8 and 2/4 apu's. This will obviously be a different manufacturing process so they don't have to cut down an 8/16 processor to make a 2/4 like they would with the current Ryzen cpu's. The budget cpu's will be apu's.
Which definitely shows that the apu strategy has either failed and is being mothballed, or AMD can't get it working with any decent ipc. Either way, the fallout from bulldozer is still killing them.
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Depending on the price of the top 8core/16thread CPU I might switch over from my 6700k and build herself something around that. All depends on price and IPC performance though
That top one is gonna be around €500-600. It's pretty much on par with the €1100 i7 6900k.

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Which definitely shows that the apu strategy has either failed and is being mothballed, or AMD can't get it working with any decent ipc. Either way, the fallout from bulldozer is still killing them.
I wouldn't say failed. Maybe they just haven't got the manufacturing sorted on them yet and they aren't the top priority. These APU's are going to be using Vega GPU's as well so maybe that's causing the hold up.
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Ah I'll have to see proper hands on reviews before I believe its on par with 6900k, I'm hoping for all our sakes it blows Intel out of the water but I don't jump on hype trains
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I hate the naming... I'm assuming "Pro" supports additional PCI-E lanes?
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Which definitely shows that the apu strategy has either failed and is being mothballed, or AMD can't get it working with any decent ipc. Either way, the fallout from bulldozer is still killing them.
AMD have had a sizeable IPC increase in their APU's generation to generation but more notably they have had huge efficiency gains. In the low end of the laptop market, they have been killing it. And their APU's are seriously good in that budget range for the price/performance.

On the top end, I know everybody loves their I3's but a FX-9800P is a 4 core chip with a much better onboard gpu which is to me way better then a dual core chip with a crap onboard gpu and better IPC. Day to day on a laptop like that, I prefer more threads over IPC.

A fair number of newer high DPI notebooks chug playing 4K video because the skylake chips can't keep up.
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In a laptop, battery life and heat trump almost everything else. People with 4k screens tend to move from one plug socket to the next, but AMD has years of crappy corner cutting laptops (many still on the shelves of the stores) to overcome.

It's telling that they didn't release Bristol ridge laptops and desktops to review sites; if there was good news to shout about for the a 9000 series you can bet they would have done it. Instead, no launches, no information, nothing.
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You know it's serious when I'm considering walking into a shop & buying a magazine for the benchmarks.
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