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20-06-2015, 07:24   #61
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20-06-2015, 07:57   #62
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That look dodgy as any fight I've ever seen.
Shamrock's TDs were in slow mo, fair enough he is old.
But he had hooks in and arm under the chin, but not able to finish. It's not an issue of age or strength. If he can deadlift his bodyweight then he is strong enough to finish there when a guy is not defending. And that's before you allow for the 40 years wrestling experience.
That was my first thought when he hit the single for the takedown leading to the choke. It was ploddingly slow, almost comically so. Once he wrapped one leg up Slice literally just fell over. Very odd
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20-06-2015, 09:31   #63
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Lots of calls in other forums saying it was fixed.
Certainly looked very odd that he couldn't finish the RNC from that position but I'm wondering if it was fixed why would it be fixed for Kimbo to win? Why not for Shamrock to win?
And with so much on the line for Bellator if it ever got out that it was fixed, why would they risk it? They made their money from the fight regardless of the outcome.
All it would take is for one of the fighters to become disgruntled with the organisation and confess to the fix and then it's game over for Bellator.

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20-06-2015, 10:08   #64
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That was my first thought when he hit the single for the takedown leading to the choke. It was ploddingly slow, almost comically so. Once he wrapped one leg up Slice literally just fell over. Very odd
Yeah it was like he thought about the TD, but changed his mind and ballsed it up.
And Kimbo still went down.

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Lots of calls in other forums saying it was fixed.
Certainly looked very odd that he couldn't finish the RNC from that position but I'm wondering if it was fixed why would it be fixed for Kimbo to win? Why not for Shamrock to win?
Shamrock is old and has no fights left in him.
Kimbo defeating the "legend" creates a couple of BS matches they can sell on PPV. They'll match him up with a brawler and suggest their might be "bonuses" for keeping it standing (EliteXC).

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And with so much on the line for Bellator if it ever got out that it was fixed, why would they risk it? They made their money from the fight regardless of the outcome.
All it would take is for one of the fighters to become disgruntled with the organisation and confess to the fix and then it's game over for Bellator.
What's on the line really? I doubt it was much in the way of regulation in that state.
Kimbo will never expose the fix as it ruins his credibility. Shamrock won't be planning a future to be disgruntled, but it looks just as bad on him if it came out. Even so they could just play him off as a sore loser.
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20-06-2015, 11:19   #65
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Madness that Shamrock didn't finish that rear naked choke.
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20-06-2015, 11:25   #66
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Madness that Shamrock didn't finish that rear naked choke.
Any footage?
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20-06-2015, 11:34   #67
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Video here https://www.facebook.com/KimboSliceF...0069854442943/
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20-06-2015, 12:02   #70
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Don't know how that choke didn't put him asleep. Nothin staged about the last punch. I think ken was slow, weak, extremely rusty and shouldn't be allowed to fight anymore
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20-06-2015, 12:24   #71
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I thought the same thing about the choke initially, seemed like he had it locked in then adjusted to let it go but ill give them the benefit of the doubt. Glad he went for the take down from the off, if he had have stayed standing that would have screamed dodgy to me.
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Thought kimbo tapped @1:50 on mellors link to video
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23-06-2015, 07:05   #73
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Don't know how that choke didn't put him asleep. Nothin staged about the last punch. I think ken was slow, weak, extremely rusty and shouldn't be allowed to fight anymore
The punch at the end was real in the sense that Kimbo really hit him. But, even if he was told to hold back I reckon he still would of unloaded for the craic.
Some people were pointing to the fact that he leaned into the punch with his, a basic technique for taking a punch.


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I thought the same thing about the choke initially, seemed like he had it locked in then adjusted to let it go but ill give them the benefit of the doubt. Glad he went for the take down from the off, if he had have stayed standing that would have screamed dodgy to me.
The take down he went for was glacier slow, he missed the single leg, but kimbo still went to his ass.
The choke wasn’t tight at all, his left hand was on Kimbo’s forehead. That was bizarre and not how you finish a RNC. He could tense his arm all day here and not choke Kimbo. The only thing it does is make it easy to grab the arm and defend. If put his hand in the right position its over in seconds – Kimbo was basically not defending for 10 seconds.



Obviously nobody can say that it was definitely fixed. But there's an awful lot of wtf moments in such a short fight.
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24-06-2015, 10:12   #74
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this fight wouldn't have looked out of place at a WWE (more specifically TNA) PPV.

For me, i'm like 99% sure this is a fix, shamrock let kimbo out of the rear naked choke - being 51 doesn't stop you from applying the basics of a technique that a veteran fighter should do on autopilot - Heck, given half a chance i'd be able to perform a rear naked choke on an opponent who is incapable/unwilling to put on any sort of defense - kimbo didn't move and even did a WWE style "near tap" when his arms seemed to flop at one stage , its reminiscent of people "almost" tapping out to a sharpshooter before grabbing the rope or getting free.
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24-06-2015, 10:55   #75
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I really wish Bellator would stop this crap. Between this stuff and the Tito/Bonnar nonsense, it's becoming a pain to watch
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