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2020 Arc De Triomphe

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    #32
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Serpentine supplemented - 16 runners.


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    #33
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Serpentine running could destroy the race for Enable
    I am not sure she is winning this
    Sottsass could be the beneficiary here, but I am still on Mogul


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    #34
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,375 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I think Love is Coolmore's bullet for a slow run race and Serpentine is the bullet for a strong run race. You would think that Serpentine must look more impressive than Mogul at home though...


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    #35
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    I think Love is Coolmore's bullet for a slow run race and Serpentine is the bullet for a strong run race. You would think that Serpentine must look more impressive than Mogul at home though...

    The opposite according to AOB on the FF Podcast a few weeks back
    He was all over Mogul, said he was making fools of everyone else in the yard with the ease with which he was doing things
    AOB is VERY sweet on Mogul


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    #36
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Battash 5/4 AGAINST in the Abbeye....
    Confirmed runner, and he is money against.............?!!!

    LUMP ON!


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    #37
    longshotvalue
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    Battash 5/4 AGAINST in the Abbeye....
    Confirmed runner, and he is money against.............?!!!

    LUMP ON!




    Not that suited to swimming 5 furlongs. Hope he wins though


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    #38
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Looks like Love will be pulled due to the ground. Shame.


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    #39
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Talk of pulling Love puzzles me
    She has won with S in the description before, what are they afraid of?
    After today she will only have one more race this year at most, in America
    Surely the Arc takes precedence, and, with Serpentine in the race, they could still do a Derby on it and run it to suit her
    I mean, I have not been in Paris lately of course, is the track THAT bad.....??


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    #40
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Imagine the mug on Frankie if Stradivarius beats Enable!!


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    #41
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Love gone NR for Sunday

    feck


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    #42
    pottokblue
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭pottokblue


    NO LOVE, Instead I'll be on Mogul, Stradivarius and whatever PCB is on maybe Persianking??


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    #43
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    :mad: I said I was going to lay both Enable and Love, but did not pull the trigger.


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    #44
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    Strange one not running her. Her broodmare career is cemented. What is there to lose?


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    #45
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,375 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.racingpost.com/news/arc-countdown/love-out-of-the-arc-as-15-declared-for-longchamp-showdown/452724

    Quote from Aidan
    It's 4.1 on the going stick there at the moment and they're forecast more rain for tomorrow and Saturday, so we didn't have any choice with her really.
    A 4.1 going stick rating indicates heavy going, perhaps even bottomless ground. Surely it can't be that bad?

    Edit - Aidan must have meant penetrometer reading.


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    #46
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    No..Horse .........(Draw)

    1 PERSIAN KING (7)
    2 ROYAL JULIUS (8)
    3 WAY TO PARIS (6)
    4 JAPAN (11)
    5 SOVEREIGN (10)
    6 STRADIVARIUS (14)
    7 SOTTSASS (4)
    8 ENABLE (5)
    9 DEIRDRE (12)
    10 GOLD TRIP (9)
    11 CHACHNAK (13)
    12 IN SWOOP (1)
    13 MOGUL (3)
    14 SERPENTINE (15)
    15 RAABIHAH (2)

    With this smaller field and slow ground I think the draw makes little difference.
    On fast ground a low draw is important.
    I will post the winner when I have my bet placed. :cool:


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    #47
    BagheeraBlue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 109 ✭✭BagheeraBlue


    there really should be a discussion on moving the arc


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    #48
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Yeah, every race should be around an pancake flat oval track like in japan where the ground is rock hard, or like in the USA where the ground is almost always fast.


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    #49
    BagheeraBlue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 109 ✭✭BagheeraBlue


    The Tetrarch wrote: »
    Yeah, every race should be around an pancake flat oval track like in japan where the ground is rock hard, or like in the USA where the ground is also fast.

    yeah heavy ground is not a great watch


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    #50
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    BagheeraBlue wrote: »
    yeah heavy ground is not a great watch
    It is if you have backed the winner.


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    #51
    New Era
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭New Era


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    https://www.racingpost.com/news/arc-countdown/love-out-of-the-arc-as-15-declared-for-longchamp-showdown/452724

    Quote from Aidan


    A 4.1 going stick rating indicates heavy going, perhaps even bottomless ground. Surely it can't be that bad?

    Edit - Aidan must have meant penetrometer reading.

    Storm Alex is approaching France and if they are forecast the amount of precipitation that they are predicting, I would not be surprised if Paris Longchamp is un-raceable by the weekend.

    Will be horrible ground no matter what.


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    #52
    BagheeraBlue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 109 ✭✭BagheeraBlue


    oisin murphy coke test positive in france , mind french galop tried to pull the same **** with robbie downey even with hair strand tests both coming back negative


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    #53
    tryfix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    The Tetrarch wrote: »
    No..Horse .........(Draw)

    1 PERSIAN KING (7)
    2 ROYAL JULIUS (8)
    3 WAY TO PARIS (6)
    4 JAPAN (11)
    5 SOVEREIGN (10)
    6 STRADIVARIUS (14)
    7 SOTTSASS (4)
    8 ENABLE (5)
    9 DEIRDRE (12)
    10 GOLD TRIP (9)
    11 CHACHNAK (13)
    12 IN SWOOP (1)
    13 MOGUL (3)
    14 SERPENTINE (15)
    15 RAABIHAH (2)

    With this smaller field and slow ground I think the draw makes little difference.
    On fast ground a low draw is important.
    I will post the winner when I have my bet placed. :cool:
    I'm fairly confused at this stage.

    It's likely to be a fair bit harder to pick the winner on atrocious ground, but the odds for the likes of Stradivarius are crazy short which means that there's some potentially rich pickings to be had on on some of the less fancied horses.

    If staying is the game then the result by Dosage Index would be

    In Swoop DI 0.57
    Enable DI 0.60
    Serpentine DI 0.71
    Japan DI 0.74
    Mogul DI 0.74
    Sovereign DI 0.76
    Stradivarius DI 0.91
    Sottsass DI 1.00
    Gold Trip DI 1.22
    Raabihah DI 1.22
    Royal Julius DI 1.33
    Way To Paris DI 1.75
    Persian King DI 1.86
    Deirdre DI 2.20
    Chachnak DI 3.00


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    #54
    The Tetrarch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Poor show by Betfair.
    The Arc antepost market is suspended, but they have not put up a raceday market.


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    #55
    byronbay2
    Registered Users Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    In case anyone here backed Love ante-post with PP, they are giving a "Justice Refund" for all bets, no max. Fair dues to them, soothes the pain a little bit although most of my Love dosh was on BF.


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    #56
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,375 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I am backing Japan at 16/1 for the simple reason that this is the first time in 8 runs that Ryan Moore is no longer on it


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    #57
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    I am backing Japan at 16/1 for the simple reason that this is the first time in 8 runs that Ryan Moore is no longer on it
    he'd need the rest take the wrong course. I must be missing something with this horse. Has looked group 3 class anytime I have watched him.:confused:


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    #58
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Any chance Boyles will do a refund on a Love/Battassh double placed in shop on Tuesday do ye think lads, or is that one for the bin?


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    #59
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,375 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Battaash out now :(


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    #60
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Ground must be close to unraceable.


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    #61
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,375 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    I am backing Japan at 16/1 for the simple reason that this is the first time in 8 runs that Ryan Moore is no longer on it
    On decent ground, I'd agree. On very soft/heavy as we look like we might get, anything can happen, and Japan should certainly stay as evidenced by last years Arc.


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