2020 Diamond League

Itziger wrote: »

Don't know how that wouldn't appear for me in YT. That was a perfect level of opposition for Tobin, they towed him along nicely. He did really well to hold onto the leading group there. Was dangling off the back a bit with 1km to go. Battled hard and got a decent time.

Someone with a calculator or head for paces and %s, how does that compare to the 5,000 PB for him? It's down as 13.53 or something from just a month ago. The 7.45 sounds more impressive, or am I reading it wrong?

And yet he said he should have moved up at 500 to go, but wasn't sure the legs with hold up.
I dont think Sean has the biggest kick in the world.
Sub 13.30 or so, but with the right race and conditions sub 13.20 is on the cards.

He will definitely have gained a lot of confidence over the past few week

NN Running WR Day startlists are up:
https://zone-1.cdn.leadfamly.com/files/1533/nnrt_valencia_2020/startlist.pdf

It's obviously all geared towards towards WR attempts.... although I thought McSweyn might use it to try and better his own NR. He's down as a Pacer instead.

One down. One to go.

This is a no go anyway for the WR I'd say

He's got. Fair fcuks to him.

Cheptegui. 3 races in 2020. 3 World Records. Clinical.

That was fantastic. Two unbelievable races. I've been saying it for years about having those wave lights. I should have patented that idea

4Ad wrote: »

I was doing some cheering at the tv..Stupid question but can the runners see the lights ?

Yup, Thought Gideon was going to trip over herself looking backwards to see where the light was on the last lap

chasingpaper wrote: »

They weren't races though, they were timetrials. London on Sunday was a better race, but it didn't have a record.
They are great performances but it is hard to put them in perspective given the question marks over the shoes.

You're right about it been a time trial. Still great to watch. They were wearing dragonflys tonight. I don't think there is to question over these shoes?

Sean Ingle touches on the shoes here:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/07/cheptegui-and-gidey-smash-world-track-records-using-controversial-spikes

So what’s the difference in this and kipchoge sub 2?

I don’t think it should count as a wr as lights are pacing him

Chivito550 wrote: »

Sean Ingle touches on the shoes here:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/07/cheptegui-and-gidey-smash-world-track-records-using-controversial-spikes

Those spikes cant be put even remotely in the same ballpark as the vaporfly, next percent or alpha fly.

For one, carbon plates have been in spikes since the 90's, I bet you have a carbon plate in your sprint spikes.

Secondly, non EVA foam isnt new either, EVA came along decades ago and then companies started using faster elastomers almost 10 years ago. I had a pair of Adidas Adizero Avanti boosts in 2014 that had a carbon plate and non EVA elastomer boost foam that increased energy return by more than 10% over EVA foam.

I can also say Jim Ryun wouldve ran 3:42 for the mile if he had a Mondo track and the same spikes as EL G did instead of a clay track and 1960's spikes. Technology always moves on.

The dragonfly is nowhere in the realm of having the same effect as the vaporfly. All the super shoe tech from the vaporfly has already existed on track spikes for decades or isnt transferable.

No massive stack height to cushion and add energy return
Carbon plate tech already hugely developed in track shoes from tuned resistance on sprint spikes to long distance spikes
Spikes are already on the market which are just as low weight and have been for decades

The only diff is the pebex foam from a regular track spike. And the foam wears have been going on since spikes were invented, from bannister spikes to Nike Waffle racers to rubber sole to EVA to boost elastomers to pebex elastomers. This spike is nowhere near as revolutionary as the road shoes.

And it just backs up a lot of things, the only reason the vaporfly is so revolutionary on the road is because it's been compared to road shoes.