Madeleine McCann

optimist16 · 31-10-2018 5:33pm

I'm assuming first theory with the majority is that she was overdosed on sedatives.

I get a bit lost at the amount of pedophiles in the area (Clement Freud). How so many strings were pulled by the powers that be in the UK. How Gasper's statement was not handed to the Portuguese. Even Kate's "They've taken her" could be construed that she knew Madeleine was being visited.

Just as there are people here who see their innocence, I see they were/are complicit.

Deusexmachina · 31-10-2018 5:40pm

So, exactly how did it happen? Why did they kill their girl. What evidence is there for sedation? How did they manage to hide the body under the glare 24/7 of the international media. How come nobody has ever come forward or admitted anything?

iamwhoiam · 31-10-2018 6:10pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Deusexmachina wrote: »

So, exactly how did it happen? Why did they kill their girl. What evidence is there for sedation? How did they manage to hide the body under the glare 24/7 of the international media. How come nobody has ever come forward or admitted anything?

Wouldn't we all like to know the answers

limnam · 31-10-2018 6:19pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

So, exactly how did it happen? Why did they kill their girl. What evidence is there for sedation? How did they manage to hide the body under the glare 24/7 of the international media. How come nobody has ever come forward or admitted anything?

You assume there was a reason to kill her. They may not have meant to.

There's no evidence of sedation.

But why you prevent your other kids from been tested? Especially when your "team" are putting forward all kids may have been sedated by the abductor.

This was an attempt to explain why kids even been moved didn't wake up.

Then why agree to having the same kids tested months later?

They were not under the glare until afterwards....

Why would anyone come forward and "admit" something they're attempting to get away with ?

That's generally not how it works...

Deusexmachina · 31-10-2018 7:02pm

limnam wrote: »

You assume there was a reason to kill her. They not have meant to.

There's no evidence of sedation.

But why you prevent your other kids from been tested? Especially when your "team" are putting forward all kids may have been sedated by the abductor.

This was an attempt to explain why kids even been moved didn't wake up.

Then why agree to having the same kids tested months later?

They were not under the glare until afterwards....

Why would anyone come forward and "admit" something they're attempting to get away with ?

That's generally not how it works...

Always the same with conspiracy theories. Lots of punching holes in the official version. But never ever offering an alternative scenario that has any substance whatsoever.

limnam · 31-10-2018 8:23pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Always the same with conspiracy theories. Lots of punching holes in the official version. But never ever offering an alternative scenario that has any substance whatsoever.

The only thing that lacks substance in this case is _evidence_ the child was abducted.

You seem to know little to nothing about it, so not really worth getting it into with you much further.

Deusexmachina · 31-10-2018 8:36pm

limnam wrote: »

The only thing that lacks substance in this case is _evidence_ the child was abducted.

You seem to know little to nothing about it, so not really worth getting it into with you much further.

What's your theory, O Wise One?

professore · 31-10-2018 8:42pm

Steve F wrote: »

Something that I always thought strange was the video showing Gerry allegedly laughing and joking a few days after the disappearance
Just didn't look or feel right

My mum was laughing and joking at my dad's funeral. Its called shock. She fell apart a few days later.

Alrigghtythen · 31-10-2018 8:42pm

A kidnapper climbed in and out the window even though the door was open. And nobody heard a thing.

Raichu · 31-10-2018 8:44pm

smelly sock wrote: »

Being a parent i dont think any mother or father could knowingly cover it up and act it out for all these years.

I would say the child was snatched. Any of the missing kids cases is heart breaking.

Being a parent also I couldn’t leave my children alone in a hotel room (foreign country or otherwise) and go out for a meal.

professore · 31-10-2018 8:44pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Some utter nonsense on this thread. Those poor parents have suffered unmeasurably by the loss of their little girl.
Their torture has been made unimaginably worse by callous, ignorant and vindictive commentary online.

Stupid unfounded conspiracy theories which have no basis in fact. Complete tripe. I really despair.

The child was abducted. This is the conclusion of years of investigation and it is also the only theory that makes any sense at all.

This is the world we live in now. Guilty until proven innocent.

2 Scoops · 31-10-2018 8:47pm

Always found the cadaver dogs interesting..

Spanish Eyes · 31-10-2018 8:47pm

I have often wondered why they chose a most incompetent private investigating firm to search for their daughter when they could have hired the best in the business with the Fund. Join the dots.

The whole scenario is just bizarre.

MonkieSocks · 31-10-2018 8:49pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

But why you prevent your other kids from been tested? Especially when your "team" are putting forward all kids may have been sedated by the abductor.

Clarence Mitchell;

It is understood the couple’s legal team hired forensic specialists to examine hair samples from the twins, who were in the same room as Madeleine in the Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz when she disappeared an May 3, and no trace of sedative was found.

A source close to the legal team said: “It would be logical for tests to be carried out on the twins to show that they have never been given sedatives.
“It would be right to say those tests show no evidence of sedatives in their systems.

It backs up Kate and Gerry’s claims that they have never sedated the children and explains why they are so certain they can prove that the allegation is just another smear.”

Deusexmachina · 31-10-2018 8:56pm

Nobody ever offers an alternative explanation for what happened. The reason being, they know it would never stand up to scruitiny.

iamwhoiam · 31-10-2018 9:00pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

RaichuMGS wrote: »

Being a parent also I couldn’t leave my children alone in a hotel room (foreign country or otherwise) and go out for a meal.

It wasn't even as " safe " as a hotel room , it was an apartment open to public road on two sides . That particular apartment was vulnerable as it was first in a row and so the steps from the patio doors led right onto a street .

Ps . Not that I would think a hotel room is safe enough to leave my child either

limnam · 31-10-2018 9:03pm

professore wrote: »

My mum was laughing and joking at my dad's funeral. Its called shock. She fell apart a few days later.

Shock is normal.

Lying to the police who are investigating the abduction of your daughter is not normal.

Refusing to assist with said investigation is not normal.

Trying to discredit people hired to assist you find your daughter is not normal.

Pretty much all their actions during this investigation is not normal

But feel free to point out the one thing they've yet to do or show.

limnam · 31-10-2018 9:07pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Nobody ever offers an alternative explanation for what happened. The reason being, they know it would never stand up to scruitiny.

Again, every time you post just shows how little you know about it.

I'd say you'd need to read a little more and see what's been offered up in alternative theories and come back and let us know how you get on with your scrutiny

limnam · 31-10-2018 9:37pm

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Clarence Mitchell;

It is understood the couple’s legal team hired forensic specialists to examine hair samples from the twins, who were in the same room as Madeleine in the Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz when she disappeared an May 3, and no trace of sedative was found.

A source close to the legal team said: “It would be logical for tests to be carried out on the twins to show that they have never been given sedatives.
“It would be right to say those tests show no evidence of sedatives in their systems.

It backs up Kate and Gerry’s claims that they have never sedated the children and explains why they are so certain they can prove that the allegation is just another smear.”

Do you know how long sedatives can be detected after they're taken?

Do you think someone who's job it is to put people asleep does?

How long after May 3rd were the tests done?

Was it months?

Why would you allow "your" "legal" team to do it and not the investigators assisting you with trying to find your daughter rather than the team preventing you from been convicted of it ?

It's this sort of gullible rubbish that has us where we're.

heldel00 · 31-10-2018 9:44pm

I've been following this thread but don't feel i could pass judgement either way.

But one thing i will say is that a marching band, followed by a circus could be in my 3yr old's bedroom and he wouldn't wake up. I have in the past had to lift him out of my bed to put him into his own and he would still be sound asleep.

Toddlers sleep like logs.

Raichu · 31-10-2018 9:54pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It wasn't even as " safe " as a hotel room , it was an apartment open to public road on two sides . That particular apartment was vulnerable as it was first in a row and so the steps from the patio doors led right onto a street .

Ps . Not that I would think a hotel room is safe enough to leave my child either

Honestly I wouldn’t even step out my front door while a child was left inside asleep. There’s so many things that could happen in seconds of closing it behind me it just isn’t wise. Yeah it’s sad their daughter is missing or dead, but imo they don’t deserve the sympathy because it is their own fault. What do you expect to happen when you do something so stupid and selfish? The real crime is that they were left with the other two kids after this. It’s a shambles.

Raichu · 31-10-2018 9:57pm

heldel00 wrote: »

I've been following this thread but don't feel i could pass judgement either way.

But one thing i will say is that a marching band, followed by a circus could be in my 3yr old's bedroom and he wouldn't wake up. I have in the past had to lift him out of my bed to put him into his own and he would still be sound asleep.

Toddlers sleep like logs.

Well for my own 4 year old a cough outside his bedroom door as you pass would wake him. Just like all other people (kids or adults) some are heavy sleepers some are very light sleepers. It’s a ridiculous assertion to say because your child sleeps heavily that all do.

limnam · 31-10-2018 10:00pm

heldel00 wrote: »

Toddlers sleep like logs.

For some it's true for some it's not.

As true or not true it is.

In the grand scheme of things, it's irrelevant.

And just to be clear. it was the mcanns team suggesting they were sedated by the abductor.

to explain why while been moved e.g. they were takign from the apartment and moved and never budged...

iamwhoiam · 31-10-2018 10:01pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

heldel00 wrote: »

I've been following this thread but don't feel i could pass judgement either way.

But one thing i will say is that a marching band, followed by a circus could be in my 3yr old's bedroom and he wouldn't wake up. I have in the past had to lift him out of my bed to put him into his own and he would still be sound asleep.

Toddlers sleep like logs.

I had three kids , one slept like a log , one woke at any noise and one woke if we moved the duvet back over her ! Not all toddlers are alike

heldel00 · 31-10-2018 10:10pm

heldel00 wrote: »

I've been following this thread but don't feel i could pass judgement either way.

But one thing i will say is that a marching band, followed by a circus could be in my 3yr old's bedroom and he wouldn't wake up. I have in the past had to lift him out of my bed to put him into his own and he would still be sound asleep.

Toddlers sleep like logs.

Edited to add - not all toddlers sleep like logs. Just mine!

Red Lightning · 31-10-2018 10:20pm

RaichuMGS wrote:

Honestly I wouldnâ€™t even step out my front door while a child was left inside asleep. Thereâ€™s so many things that could happen in seconds of closing it behind me it just isnâ€™t wise. Yeah itâ€™s sad their daughter is missing or dead, but imo they donâ€™t deserve the sympathy because it is their own fault. What do you expect to happen when you do something so stupid and selfish? The real crime is that they were left with the other two kids after this. Itâ€™s a shambles.

I can't say many would disagree. The only person who deserves sympathy is little Madeline. Her parents neglect caused this horrendous situation.

[Deleted User] · 31-10-2018 10:32pm

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Deusexmachina wrote: »

Nobody ever offers an alternative explanation for what happened. The reason being, they know it would never stand up to scruitiny.

Errr, the Portuguese police that were involved in the entire initial investigation had an explanation backed up by evidence.

It wasn't enough evidence for a conviction but they still believe it.

And their theory is a lot more credible than anything Scotland Yard have offered.

iamwhoiam · 31-10-2018 11:14pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

RaichuMGS wrote: »

Honestly I wouldn’t even step out my front door while a child was left inside asleep. There’s so many things that could happen in seconds of closing it behind me it just isn’t wise. Yeah it’s sad their daughter is missing or dead, but imo they don’t deserve the sympathy because it is their own fault. What do you expect to happen when you do something so stupid and selfish? The real crime is that they were left with the other two kids after this. It’s a shambles.

We walked past the apartment a year after Madeleine went missing . My husband stopped dead on the road , looked at the steps into up to the patio and said " I bet they didn't leave their camera or their wallet on the table in the apartment then it would be too risky "

If anyone saw the pattern of leaving the children every evening and took the opportunity it was made very easy for them . Within minutes of leaving PdaL you are out in dark , isolated countryside

MonkieSocks · 31-10-2018 11:22pm

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Do you know how long sedatives can be detected after they're taken?

yes, but depends on what was given.
Trace elements may show up in Blood and hair samples

Do you think someone who's job it is to put people asleep does?

Yes

How long after May 3rd were the tests done?

Oct 2007

Was it months?

yes

Why would you allow "your" "legal" team to do it and not the investigators assisting you with trying to find your daughter rather than the team preventing you from been convicted of it ?

At the time there was no investigation in UK.

Portuguese Police refused Kate McCanns request for a test.

Only for test was their "Legal Team" get an independent test done

It's this sort of gullible rubbish that has us where we're.

:rolleyes:

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limnam · 31-10-2018 11:32pm

MonkieSocks wrote: »

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So they got tested when there's pretty much no chance of anything showing up months later

Hero's

Madeleine McCann

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