“Ready-to-Go” site for 43 houses in Carrickmines (Blackberry Hill)

emmabrighton · 07-04-2014 5:10pm #1

A site was sold last summer on the Glenamuck Road, Carrickmines beside the new Knockree New Gen homes development.

Passing by yesterday I see that the site is currently being cleared so construction will soon be underway, I hope!!!

http://photos.myhome.ie/media/1/6/9/2565961/8c9389abc8.pdf

Anyone know who the developer is.

Would love to find out a bit more about the development.

i.e. how much will the houses be going for and when will they be ready?

ted1 · 08-04-2014 10:28am

i presume its this one:

http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D08A/0197/C2&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1262357%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=1401976%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1262357%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

these are the architect http://www.ndba.ie/

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2014 11:44am

I'd be interested in this also, seems like alot of land around there and likely they'll build houses around there. decent location i think, hopefully they'll build proper houses and not sh!tbox apartments (ones around the corner the roof blew off a few years ago).

emmabrighton · 09-04-2014 12:14pm

Based on the above planning application, they will be houses. Knockree were advertised at 500k ish but you can see on myhome.ie that some sold for substantially less. I hope the developer will be reasonable and not be looking for 600k for a 4 bed semi.

4 bed semi in Cabinteely Park went sale agreed at 475K last week. It didn't look like the house had been decorated since it was built in the 80s. So I wouldn't be too hopeful that these houses well be all that affordable.

ted1 · 09-04-2014 12:18pm

if they are new builds the property price register doesn't show the VAT.

so if looking at prices for new builds ensure to VAT

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2014 1:29pm

emmabrighton wrote: »

Based on the above planning application, they will be houses. Knockree were advertised at 500k ish but you can see on myhome.ie that some sold for substantially less. I hope the developer will be reasonable and not be looking for 600k for a 4 bed semi.

4 bed semi in Cabinteely Park went sale agreed at 475K last week. It didn't look like the house had been decorated since it was built in the 80s. So I wouldn't be too hopeful that these houses well be all that affordable.

i suspect they will all be €500k+ at least

emmabrighton · 09-04-2014 2:30pm

I read somewhere that there are more apartments in the pipeline for the Ballyogan road just round the corner.

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2014 4:15pm

emmabrighton wrote: »

I read somewhere that there are more apartments in the pipeline for the Ballyogan road just round the corner.

The last thing that area needs is apartments, with fields all around them.

emmabrighton · 15-04-2014 11:59am

New sign up there yesterday. The Blackberry Hill development in Carrickmines to be launched in Early September 2014. Interest can be placed with Kelly Walsh. Same developers as Knockree. Knockree were on the market at 500k last year so methinks it will be more for Blackberry Hill.

Anka · 20-07-2014 10:24pm

Any update on Blackberry Hill lately?

emmabrighton · 23-07-2014 11:51am

I heard that they had to reapply for planning back in April, so a bit of a delay

morrga · 11-08-2015 10:41pm

Hi, anyone any idea on what's going on with this development? Seems a long time in the making with nothing but silence to complement the delays.

morrga · 06-03-2016 8:45pm

This develomoment is launching next Saturday starting at €650,000 for mid terraced house.

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 1:13pm

morrga wrote: »

This develomoment is launching next Saturday starting at €650,000 for mid terraced house.

Yikes! Do you know the size and energy rating for that money?

morrga · 07-03-2016 1:56pm

SarahMollie wrote: »

Yikes! Do you know the size and energy rating for that money?

223 square metres and A3 energy rating.

Theboinkmaster · 07-03-2016 3:07pm

morrga wrote: »

223 square metres and A3 energy rating.

price seems reasonable imo

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 3:10pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

price seems reasonable imo

Agree they're very large and economical energy wise. I personally think its a little pricey for the location if anything, but thats probably just because its not where I personally would like to live (bit too far out for my tastes).

Actually I've just checked the ad on Myhome.ie and the houses at €650k are 208m squared, and the ones at 223m squared are starting at €695.

air · 07-03-2016 3:57pm

€3000 a square metre for a mid terrace house less than 100m from the M50, 16km from the city centre & nearly 3km from the nearest grocery shop.
It would cost €3000 a month over 20 years assuming a €130k deposit.

Michael D Not Higgins · 07-03-2016 4:16pm

air wrote: »

€3000 a square metre for a mid terrace house less than 100m from the M50, 16km from the city centre & nearly 3km from the nearest grocery shop.
It would cost €3000 a month over 20 years assuming a €130k deposit.

Doable with 150k household income to qualify for that mortgage (something like top 5-10% of households in Ireland).

air · 07-03-2016 4:31pm

Doable for sure, but in fairness if you're in the top 5%-10% of incomes in the country I'd think you might have greater aspirations than a mid terrace beside a motorway 16km from the city.

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 4:34pm

air wrote: »

Doable for sure, but in fariness if you're in the top 5%-10% of incomes in the country I'd think you might have greater aspirations than a mid terrace beside a motorway 16km from the city.

Exactly - for that money I'd want either a detached house or to be much closer to the city.

Michael D Not Higgins · 07-03-2016 4:37pm

air wrote: »

Doable for sure, but in fariness if you're in the top 5%-10% of incomes in the country I'd think you might have greater aspirations than a mid terrace beside a motorway 16km from the city.

Which is, in a roundabout way, my point. If they don't appeal to those that can afford them, then they're priced too highly or they shouldn't have even been built.

Theboinkmaster · 07-03-2016 4:57pm

SarahMollie wrote: »

Agree they're very large and economical energy wise. I personally think its a little pricey for the location if anything, but thats probably just because its not where I personally would like to live (bit too far out for my tastes).

Actually I've just checked the ad on Myhome.ie and the houses at €650k are 208m squared, and the ones at 223m squared are starting at €695.

Yeah maybe you're right, only comparable might be College Square - it's on the edge of Terenure so Templeogue really but at least it's only about 6km from city centre. They're 1,900-2,000 square feet and about €690k.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/3210137

So looking at that, out in Carrickmines it does seem a bit pricey.

SarahMollie · 07-03-2016 5:13pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Yeah maybe you're right, only comparable might be College Square - it's on the edge of Terenure so Templeogue really but at least it's only about 6km from city centre. They're 1,900-2,000 square feet and about €690k.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/3210137

So looking at that, out in Carrickmines it does seem a bit pricey.

They're particularly interesting as they've been coming onto the market in phases over the past few years so there should be some real data on the PPR of the prices achieved.

I'd take the slightly smaller size for only being adjoining on one side and being sooo much closer to town.

I've a 3 bed duplex myself and would love to trade up to something like that over the next few years - only watching the market out of interest at the moment. Would suit me down to the ground for prices to stay steady

Cuddlesworth · 07-03-2016 8:53pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Yeah maybe you're right, only comparable might be College Square - it's on the edge of Terenure so Templeogue really but at least it's only about 6km from city centre. They're 1,900-2,000 square feet and about €690k.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/3210137

So looking at that, out in Carrickmines it does seem a bit pricey.

I was going to rag on the development a little but the more I look at it the more I realize I only dislike it for 3 reasons. No nearby parks, too close to the M50 for comfort and semi-d. The Semi-D thing really annoys me, these are premium houses. Why semi-d? Now they are competing against detached houses in better areas.

Shedite27 · 07-03-2016 9:19pm

Here's the link..
Blackberry Hill

<<Sorry, didn't see earlier post>>

ted1 · 07-03-2016 9:29pm

air wrote: »

€3000 a square metre for a mid terrace house less than 100m from the M50, 16km from the city centre & nearly 3km from the nearest grocery shop.
It would cost €3000 a month over 20 years assuming a €130k deposit.

Close to mountains and sea, Luas is very close. Cherrywood will be ready in a few years so there's 3 new parks, more schools, shopping centre etc. There are plans to upgrade the Luas to a metro, believe it or not plenty of people have no interest in going near the city and the suburbs suit them.

desertcircus · 07-03-2016 9:37pm

ted1 wrote: »

Close to mountains and sea, Luas is very close. Cherrywood will be ready in a few years so there's 3 new parks, more schools, shopping centre etc. There are plans to upgrade the Luas to a metro, believe it or not plenty of people have no interest in going near the city and the suburbs suit them.

It's not about suburbs versus city; it's about the cost of the suburbs when measured against the amenities available. At the moment, the defining feature of these 650k houses is that they're in an absolutely terrible location. They're six kilometres' driving to get to the sea, seven or eight kilometres to the beginnings of the Wicklow mountains, and the Luas is a kilometre away along roads which really aren't designed for walkers. Buying there more or less guarantees that you're going to be driving pretty much everywhere for the next three decades of your life. Going by the architectural drawings, the gardens are going to be quite small, and the location means you're going to be driving your kids most places as well.

I accept that I may be in a minority on this, but I really don't find them appealing.

air · 07-03-2016 10:09pm

ted1 wrote: »

Close to mountains and sea, Luas is very close. Cherrywood will be ready in a few years so there's 3 new parks, more schools, shopping centre etc. There are plans to upgrade the Luas to a metro, believe it or not plenty of people have no interest in going near the city and the suburbs suit them.

It's about 15mins walk to the Ballyogan Wood Luas stop & the walk includes crossing 4 lanes of traffic with no lights or pedestrian crossing.
The luas has about half the frequency beyond Sandyford & is very slow beyond SF. Minimum 1hr to Stephens green via luas excluding waiting time.
Nearest pint of milk or beer 3km away at Leopardstown Valley.
It's a wholly car dependent development.

SarahMollie · 08-03-2016 10:28am

desertcircus wrote: »

It's not about suburbs versus city; it's about the cost of the suburbs when measured against the amenities available. At the moment, the defining feature of these 650k houses is that they're in an absolutely terrible location. They're six kilometres' driving to get to the sea, seven or eight kilometres to the beginnings of the Wicklow mountains, and the Luas is a kilometre away along roads which really aren't designed for walkers. Buying there more or less guarantees that you're going to be driving pretty much everywhere for the next three decades of your life. Going by the architectural drawings, the gardens are going to be quite small, and the location means you're going to be driving your kids most places as well.

I accept that I may be in a minority on this, but I really don't find them appealing.

Agree with this. I wouldnt describe it as being near the sea by any stretch, its on the western edge of south dublin.

The Luas isnt really particularly near when you consider the rather trecherous walk to get it it, and even then you've a long enough journey into the city.

I bought a smaller place in Stillorgan, and being on the origional stretch of Luas line was a huge selling point for me. It comes about every 6 minutes and I know I'll be in Stephens green in 25 mins or less. Thats huge.

In my view you pay a premium to buy near good amenities and services. this looks like paying a premium before those facilities even exist. This shouldn't command a premium price.

morrga · 13-03-2016 12:21am

Anyone attend the launch today?

“Ready-to-Go” site for 43 houses in Carrickmines (Blackberry Hill)

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