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    #152
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    I’d say you could have a lot of Luas drivers applying for these. Better canteen facilities.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #153
    ongarboy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    It sounds like female candidates might get priority consideration as IR are also looking to address the gender imbalance of only 4 current train drivers being female.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0102/1019897-train-drivers/


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    #154
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Nope, anyone internal can apply as well and there will be a shortage due to retirements etc.

    I never said they couldn't, but, there will no longer be a separate internal process apparently, also there is a long standing legacy agreement which pre dates CIE that they would not be advertised externally without union agreement, this was confirmed in the WRC as recent as last year by IE management when they indicated a wish to go external.

    I remember you previously saying "nobody will give a fiddlers" if this happens, well, the union correspondence has already started, and they are not happy to say the least.


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    #155
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    Anyone taken the tests yet? How they find them..


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    #156
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    There simply isn't enough people internally who

    1. Want the job
    2. Who are capable of passing the medical and the battery of tests (good old group bourdon test)
    3. Will get past the interview

    - who has already tried and has failed to get through the process

    The DART has been an external hire operation for a decade. Union really hasn't a leg to stand on here, it cannot make a cost increasing claim and the number of drivers needed goes way beyond what could be sourced internally. The arrival of the EU train drivers license also opens the door to hire people from the EU with experience who are already certified to meet the medical and other competencies.


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    #157
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    ongarboy wrote: »
    It sounds like female candidates might get priority consideration as IR are also looking to address the gender imbalance of only 4 current train drivers being female.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0102/1019897-train-drivers/

    Not right people should be given the job based on their competency not gender


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    #158
    khaldrogo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭khaldrogo


    How many electrified lines do they have?? I couldn't find the info on line or on their site.


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    #159
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    GM228 wrote: »
    I never said they couldn't, but, there will no longer be a separate internal process apparently, also there is a long standing legacy agreement which pre dates CIE that they would not be advertised externally without union agreement, this was confirmed in the WRC as recent as last year by IE management when they indicated a wish to go external.

    I remember you previously saying "nobody will give a fiddlers" if this happens, well, the union correspondence has already started, and they are not happy to say the least.

    If they moan about this then they are dicks.


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    #160
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭john boye


    GM228 wrote: »
    I remember you previously saying "nobody will give a fiddlers" if this happens, well, the union correspondence has already started, and they are not happy to say the least.

    I know anything is possible with that lot but surely they haven't a leg to stand on if the positions were offered internally and the applicants were unsuccessful?


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    #161
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    I suspect there will be a huge volume of applications from highly skilled professionals from the private sector.

    Less stress and a decent enough salary for a cushy number. It's a no brainer for many.


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    #162
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    khaldrogo wrote: »
    How many electrified lines do they have?? I couldn't find the info on line or on their site.

    One with a small branch


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    #163
    sjb25
    Registered Users Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭sjb25


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I suspect there will be a huge volume of applications from highly skilled professionals from the private sector.

    Less stress and a decent enough salary for a cushy number. It's a no brainer for many.

    And from the public sector I’m in a skilled job in the public sector and they make more than me I’m seriously considering applying anyway then deciding if I get that far


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    #164
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    The DART has been an external hire operation for a decade.

    Its only been advertised really internally through the 3 companies and of course they took some people as well from the Dash project. Realistically this is the first outright hiring off the street.

    I'm not sure why the union is objecting we know staff pools have been exhaused internally hence the hiring externally. Just be warned its not exactly an easy job that some think it is.


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    #165
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Not right people should be given the job based on their competency not gender

    Welcome to the 2019 progressive Ireland.....


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    #166
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I suspect there will be a huge volume of applications from highly skilled professionals from the private sector. ..............

    I don't know many highly skilled professionals who want to work weekends etc driving a train for €45k tbh.


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    #167
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    The DART has been an external hire operation for a decade.

    It has not, only in recent years has driving (DART and diesel) t been opened to other CIE companies.


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Union really hasn't a leg to stand on here, it cannot make a cost increasing claim and the number of drivers needed goes way beyond what could be sourced internally

    What cost increasing claim?


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    The arrival of the EU train drivers license also opens the door to hire people from the EU with experience who are already certified to meet the medical and other competencies.

    The EU driver licence only satisfies minimum standards, you must still satisfy the standards applicable to the organisation you apply to.


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    #168
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I suspect there will be a huge volume of applications from highly skilled professionals from the private sector.

    Less stress and a decent enough salary for a cushy number. It's a no brainer for many.

    Don't know about the cushy number and the less stress bit.


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    #169
    dashoonage
    Registered Users Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Don't know about the cushy number and the less stress bit.

    How so ?


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    #170
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Not right people should be given the job based on their competency not gender

    Agree but they won't compromise the ability to do the job in favour of gender quota.


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    #171
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    dashoonage wrote: »
    How so ?

    It's not a stress free job especially when someone decides to jump in front of you.


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    #172
    Ray Bloody Purchase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Ray Bloody Purchase


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Don't know about the cushy number and the less stress bit.

    It can be fairly stressful when your union fails to negotiate enough 'handy' as required turns on your roster. ;)


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    #173
    verfold
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭verfold


    How does the driver depot structure in Dublin work, ie where are the drivers based and is routes and traction linked or does everyone at a particular depot drive all traction and routes?
    Who drives the enterprise, Dublin men or is it run by NIR? Thanks if anyone could help. ...


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    #174
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    verfold wrote: »
    How does the driver depot structure in Dublin work, ie where are the drivers based and is routes and traction linked or does everyone at a particular depot drive all traction and routes?
    Who drives the enterprise, Dublin men or is it run by NIR? Thanks if anyone could help. ...

    Heuston, Connolly, Fairview, you drive what operates from the depot.

    Enterprise is operated both companies. Think a lot of Dundalk drivers run it but assume Connolly ones do as well. You are required to drive routes operated out of that depot.


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    #175
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I suspect there will be a huge volume of applications from highly skilled professionals from the private sector.

    Less stress and a decent enough salary for a cushy number. It's a no brainer for many.

    Maybe they think it's a cushy number if their only knowledge of loco driving is watching Thomas the Tank Engine.


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    #176
    khaldrogo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭khaldrogo


    L1011 wrote:
    One with a small branch


    Got that wrong so!

    I said 2. I thought they might distinguish between the passenger and freight services


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    #177
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    TallGlass wrote: »
    Anyone taken the tests yet? How they find them..

    Interesting test, can't see why anyone internally wouldn't pass it as they'd be at more an advantage.


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    #178
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    khaldrogo wrote: »
    Got that wrong so!

    I said 2. I thought they might distinguish between the passenger and freight services

    There are distinctions in driver pools between electric, diesel multiple unit and locomotive (cork, Belfast, freight) I believe


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    #179
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    L1011 wrote: »
    There are distinctions in driver pools between electric, diesel multiple unit and locomotive (cork, Belfast, freight) I believe

    Could be taking you up wrong but loco drivers drive DMUs as do Freight.


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    #180
    verfold
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭verfold


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Could be taking you up wrong but loco drivers drive DMUs as do Freight.

    So are these jobs for locomotive drivers or dmu drivers? Surely they wouldn't be taking on trainee locomotiveslike drivers??
    Out of interest how far do HEuston drivers get? As far as Cork?


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    #181
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    verfold wrote: »
    So are these jobs for locomotive drivers or dmu drivers? Surely they wouldn't be taking on trainee locomotiveslike drivers??
    Out of interest how far do HEuston drivers get? As far as Cork?

    Both, but probably DMU to start with.

    Heuston drivers (and Portlaoise) do Cork, Waterford, Westport, Galway and PPT. Open to correction but don't do Kerry/Ballina/Limerick branches. Probally cleared to Limerick but not sure about others.

    Many Heuston services are operated by drivers based around the country.


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