Looking for documentaries like Forks Over Knives.

Tilikum17 · 06-10-2018 9:09pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Diminion will be made free soon to stream

But...but...but that’s not ireland. None of that cruelty would ever happen on a farm in Ireland. Don’t you know that?

gozunda · 06-10-2018 9:14pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://vimeo.com/293352305/2e938735dbBeef farmer that struggles with his conscience

:rolleyes:

The guy you referred to inherited the family farm. He was a vegetarian for 25 years and later turned vegan. It would be quite surprising if had continued with cattle tbh ...

Do people who convert from being Catholic to Presbyterian continue to believe in transubstantiation?

gozunda · 06-10-2018 9:36pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

But...but...but that’s not ireland. None of that cruelty would ever happen on a farm in Ireland. Don’t you know that?

If you're not aware - there's already a whole thread on that overtly sensationalist Australian video which has little relevance to reality imo

See:
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057892843/1/#post107560863

Tar.Aldarion · 07-10-2018 12:08am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://vimeo.com/293352305/2e938735db

Beef farmer that struggles with his conscience

That was really well shot and a great story. You can feel the pressure Jay was under and his wife was right that there needs to be more support for farmers instead of them being attacked. It must have been so difficult for him to change his whole life, everything he has known for his animals, not to mention potential from his friends and peers.

Tar.Aldarion · 07-10-2018 11:53am

I found a trailer for a similar documentary about a farmer and his pigs:

https://vimeo.com/215934124

gozunda · 07-10-2018 12:34pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I found a trailer for a similar documentary about a farmer and his pigs:

https://vimeo.com/215934124

Interesting parallel that there are a number of documentaries of vegans turning back to livestock farming and even the craft of butchery. Saw this one recently

Viewers discretion as required.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=265652004156377&id=341163402640457&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FNowThisNews%2Fvideos%2F265652004156377%2F&_rdr

Tilikum17 · 07-10-2018 12:58pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I found a trailer for a similar documentary about a farmer and his pigs:

https://vimeo.com/215934124

Thanks, I’ll have a look at that later.

davidjtaylor · 07-10-2018 12:59pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://vimeo.com/293352305/2e938735db

Beef farmer that struggles with his conscience

Look forward to seeing that. Thanks, Tilikum17 (there are at least 17 Tilikums???? :D_)

gozunda · 07-10-2018 1:01pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

That was really well shot and a great story. You can feel the pressure Jay was under and his wife was right that there needs to be more support for farmers instead of them being attacked. It must have been so difficult for him to change his whole life, everything he has known for his animals, not to mention potential from his friends and peers.

What is remarkable is that even after making the decision to give up cattle farming - Jay and his family were attacked for not being 'vegan' enough and inundated with social media bullying and criticism whilst choosing to be vegetarian.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/823906/Countryfile-Adam-Henson-Matt-Baker

I wonder what pressure he was put under as a result of those attacks from vegans who criticised him for being a vegetarian ....

Tilikum17 · 07-10-2018 1:08pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Look forward to seeing that. Thanks, Tilikum17 (there are at least 17 Tilikums???? :D_)

Nah, only one

Tilikum17 · 07-10-2018 1:13pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://vimeo.com/293352305/2e938735db

Beef farmer that struggles with his conscience

Intersting to see two threads on the front page of the site over the last few days.

Farmers looking for alternatives/cutting back on suckler farming.

Tar.Aldarion · 07-10-2018 1:47pm

^^^ I think there is less money in it now, and I think that over time that more industrialised farming will just become more prevalent.

gozunda wrote: »

What is remarkable is that even after making the decision to give up cattle farming - Jay and his family were attacked for not being 'vegan' enough and inundated with social media bullying and criticism whilst choosing to be vegetarian.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/823906/Countryfile-Adam-Henson-Matt-Baker

I wonder what pressure he was put under as a result of those attacks from vegans who criticised him for being a vegetarian ....

Yeah it's pretty sad if somebody is attacked like that, very counter productive. His wife mentioned that in the documentary, and that farmers do need more support.

gozunda · 07-10-2018 2:42pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

^^^ I think there is less money in it now, and I think that over time that more industrialised farming will just become more prevalent..

I honestly don't think that will be the main direction of family run farms in this country tbh.

I do see more specialisation in farming in the future and that the nature of supermarket and fashion led food supply will change. There is already huge criticism of pushing suppliers to produce foodstuffs at the lowest common denominator

Even horticultural producers have been pushed to the wall by aggresive purchasing policies

See:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34647454

20 tonnes of freshly dug parsnips consigned to the rubbish heap in a Norfolk farmyard - purely because they didn't look pretty enough ....
No wonder that, the Hammonds were talking - through barely suppressed tears - about jacking it all in.

Tilikum17 · 07-10-2018 7:38pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Diminion will be made free soon to stream

No matter how many times I see these types of films I’m shocked. Only half way through.

gozunda · 08-10-2018 10:25am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

No matter how many times I see these types of films I’m shocked. Only half way through.

My bad from your previous comment- I presumed you had seen it already no?

Its always worthwhile to keep in mind that such films are more often than not one sided. The director of this film and his previous film Lucent has already recieved criticism for his approach and methods used

Not all vegans are promoting his film work either
See:

https://veganpolice.com.au/truth-about-lucent/

Also

https://www.farmonline.com.au/story/3377952/activists-home-raided-for-farm-footage/

Tar.Aldarion · 11-10-2018 8:38pm

https://runningforgoodfilm.com/

From Executive Producer James Cromwell and award-winning director Keegan Kuhn (Cowspiracy, What The Health) comes RUNNING FOR GOOD, the feature-length sports documentary narrated by Rich Roll (Finding Ultra), following world record marathon runner Fiona Oakes in her attempt not only to set a new global record in endurance racing, but to compete in the “toughest footrace on earth,” the Marathon Des Sables, a 250km race through the Sahara Desert.
Fiona Oakes has made a name for herself as a unique endurance runner. She is the fastest woman in the world to run a marathon on all seven continents, and the north pole, in both cumulative and elapsed time. Fiona’s achievements are made even more astounding due to the fact that she was told at age 14 that she would never walk properly, let alone ever run. She would undergo more than 17 radical knee surgeries which ultimately led to having her entire right kneecap removed. The process was agonizing, the rehab worse, the records she’s gone on to set even more astounding.

With overcoming her own adversity, Fiona’s true drive to achieve incredible feats of speed and human endurance are motivated by a deep desire to raise awareness for the plight of animals. Her achievements help fund a 450+ animal sanctuary that she takes care of every day.

“I was deeply moved by this awe-inspiring story of how a woman has overcome a disability that would put most people in a wheelchair, to become a world record breaking ultra-marathon runner, fueled by a plant-based diet.”
— John Robbins, best-selling author

“Fiona is a truly remarkable athlete and human being. She has defied all odds to become a world record-breaking runner despite a horrific knee injury. Her sense of purpose is so strong that nothing can stop her. Yet at the same time she is one of the most humble and selfless people I have met.”

Free to stream until 14th Oct.

davidjtaylor · 12-10-2018 10:20am

Defo. looks like one to watch TA, thanks for the post.

davidjtaylor · 13-10-2018 9:46am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://vimeo.com/293352305/2e938735db

Beef farmer that struggles with his conscience

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

That was really well shot and a great story. You can feel the pressure Jay was under and his wife was right that there needs to be more support for farmers instead of them being attacked. It must have been so difficult for him to change his whole life, everything he has known for his animals, not to mention potential from his friends and peers.

Well produced film, yes. I’d love to follow them up, see how they’re doing now. If anyone knows anything more about them, post it here. In the meantime I’ll try to search for something.

So much taxpayer cash is thrown at big ag. but little is done to support those who are concerned about wider issues. Money goes to money.

davidjtaylor · 13-10-2018 9:59am

A pdf of a VON magazine article about Bradley Nook Farm.

gozunda · 13-10-2018 10:25am

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Well produced film, yes. I’d love to follow them up, see how they’re doing now. If anyone knows anything more about them, post it here. In the meantime I’ll try to search for something.

So much taxpayer cash is thrown at big ag. but little is done to support those who are concerned about wider issues. Money goes to money.

Ah the promulgated myth of big ag. being applied to family farms. In Ireland there are approximately 139,860 family farms with an average size of 32.7 hectares per holding. Perhaps you are thinking of your experiences in the UK where there are approx 300,000 active farms with an average size of 57 hectares - with a sizeable number being owned by commercial operations.

It remains that in Ireland the majority of farms are family owned and run. Yes the EU provides subsidies towards food production and many other parts if the economy including transport, employment and national infrastructure. Is that 'money after money (sic).

Interestingly big ag. as you call it ' is significantly more representative of the large industrial corporations such as Danone etc which have a huge market share in the prodution of consumables such as plant based liquids eg Soya and Almond. Again I see little evidence of addressing the wider issues of these very real behemoths of real big ag. ....

jive · 13-10-2018 10:28am

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Running for good

Free to stream until 14th Oct.

Cheers for this, was a really good documentary. Never heard of her before this but she’s some hardy yolk! Great attitude towards it all to e.g. it’s a luxury to be able to go off and bust yourself in the desert for 6 days.

Tilikum17 · 13-10-2018 2:31pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JJCTIPWPNtw

gozunda · 13-10-2018 6:47pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JJCTIPWPNtw

Lol that is indeed funny. Just 5 litres of water to produce one almond...

davidjtaylor · 14-10-2018 5:53pm

Running for Good is...very good. Endurance pursuits which could kill or seriously injure you have always seemed particularly pointless to me but at least Fiona Oakes has a purpose in doing them, beyond egotistical notions.

Where she's asked not to mention veganism for fear of upsetting sponsors is galling.

davidjtaylor · 17-10-2018 4:51pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

No matter how many times I see these types of films I’m shocked. Only half way through.

I can't really watch them, I get too upset.

18-10-2018 1:44pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Running for Good is...very good. Endurance pursuits which could kill or seriously injure you have always seemed particularly pointless to me but at least Fiona Oakes has a purpose in doing them, beyond egotistical notions.

Where she's asked not to mention veganism for fear of upsetting sponsors is galling.

I thought it was borderline hilarious to bring someone on to a TV show and talk about a great achievement but not allow them to talk about why they did it.

I can remember reading an article on Welsh dairy farming a while back and farmers were frothing with anger that the meat and dairy industry were ‘allowing vegans to access media without fighting back’.

I found that article really funny too. Farmers complaining about the amount of celebrities influencing young people not to eat meat or dairy.

But they were furious that the meat and dairy industry were not doing enough to influence them to consume even more meat and dairy.

A long time ago I used to call humans ‘sheep’. This would be fairly common. A lot of people are referred to as ‘sheep’ when they are void of independent thought and just do what everyone else does.

Think I have to upgrade ‘sheep’ to ‘idiots’. It just makes more sense to me.

gozunda · 18-10-2018 4:19pm

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I thought it was borderline hilarious to bring someone on to a TV show and talk about a great achievement but not allow them to talk about why they did it.
I can remember reading an article on Welsh dairy farming a while back and farmers were frothing with anger that the meat and dairy industry were ‘allowing vegans to access media without fighting back’. I found that article really funny too. Farmers complaining about the amount of celebrities influencing young people not to eat meat or dairy. But they were furious that the meat and dairy industry were not doing enough to influence them to consume even more meat and dairy. A long time ago I used to call humans ‘sheep’. This would be fairly common. A lot of people are referred to as ‘sheep’ when they are void of independent thought and just do what everyone else does. Think I have to upgrade ‘sheep’ to ‘idiots’. It just makes more sense to me.

So you're annoyed at some Welsh people? I'm sure they'd be delighted to know you're calling them 'idiots'. Pot, kettle, black and all that.

davidjtaylor · 18-10-2018 7:52pm

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I thought it was borderline hilarious to bring someone on to a TV show and talk about a great achievement but not allow them to talk about why they did it.

I can remember reading an article on Welsh dairy farming a while back and farmers were frothing with anger that the meat and dairy industry were ‘allowing vegans to access media without fighting back’.

I found that article really funny too. Farmers complaining about the amount of celebrities influencing young people not to eat meat or dairy.

But they were furious that the meat and dairy industry were not doing enough to influence them to consume even more meat and dairy.

And what runs through their anger? Money, nothing else.

gozunda · 18-10-2018 8:40pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

And what runs through their anger? Money, nothing else.

I think what you are doing there is projecting your own anger over a personal dislike of animal farming tbh.

Do you really believe that food whether plant or animal based is produced at no cost? That vegetable and fruit growers do not make a living from their endeavours? No? That those involved in animal farming should not?

David looking at it objectively- your comment above make no sense whatsover.

Tar.Aldarion · 11-02-2019 2:18am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

https://vimeo.com/293352305/2e938735db

Beef farmer that struggles with his conscience

This film won a BAFTA today.

Looking for documentaries like Forks Over Knives.

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