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    #92
    Stavro Mueller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    Syferus wrote: »
    The Times will get a few thousand cheap hits per episode but the value to the site as a whole will be negligible. People are coming for a podcast, not to read text. There isn't going to be huge crossover. The vast majority of professional websites' podcasts are hosted by people already on staff, something that is obviously not the case here. IT are paying five people (at least) money to produce the show. Even a small amount will eat into any ad revenue they'll earn from the extra hits. On top of that ad revenue is so miniscule that you need thousands upon thousands upon thousands of hits to make a ripple in the balance books. They'll probably preserve for a while because it's going to be a prestige production for the website but this ain't This American Life we're talking about.

    I get the impression that the Irish Times podcast is serving merely as a port in the storm and a means of keeping the original OTB alive for the time being. 2 months is a long time in broadcasting.

    Nobody seems to know exactly what did happen back in March but I can't help but think that events spiralled out of their control and they never thought it'd end with P45s.


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    #93
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users Posts: 19,577 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    New one should be up sometime around now, right?


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    #94
    InchicoreDude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    New one should be up sometime around now, right?

    Nothing up yet as far as I can see...


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    #95
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    It's up now


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    #96
    giftgrub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭giftgrub


    Just wondering if its going to last, I'm not a sports fan but i used to dip in and out of OTB if was pottering about the kitchen at night....dont know if i'll be dijg the same with a podcast.

    Looking at their soundcloud stats, you'd have to wonder...the first full show got 23K plays, thats after a week, compared to 40K listeners on Newstalk a night?


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    #97
    styron
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭styron


    https://soundcloud.com/#secondcaptains-it-com/second-captains-may-21st


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    #98
    clsmooth
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Is it on iTunes yet??


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    #99
    wnolan1992
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    clsmooth wrote: »
    Is it on iTunes yet??

    It is indeed.


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    #100
    Xavi6
    Registered Users Posts: 40,858 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Enjoyed it, the O'Driscoll interview was very good.


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    #101
    dulpit
    Registered Users Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Very good show this week, it feels very much like the radio show, no dips in quality/etc.


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    #102
    Kilkenny14
    Registered Users Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Kilkenny14


    I missed US Murph.


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    #103
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    It's just so good to have the lads back. Great entertainement, I think it's their enthusiasm that makes it a better show than the other stale sports shows in Irish media.

    First two podcasts are thoroughly enjoyable. Drico interview was great, I really enjoy sadliers bits. The GAA coverage was good in depth analysis. US Murph's return. All great

    Not sure about Murph's Garden though :-)


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    #104
    Cazale
    Registered Users Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Cazale


    giftgrub wrote: »
    Just wondering if its going to last, I'm not a sports fan but i used to dip in and out of OTB if was pottering about the kitchen at night....dont know if i'll be dijg the same with a podcast.

    Looking at their soundcloud stats, you'd have to wonder...the first full show got 23K plays, thats after a week, compared to 40K listeners on Newstalk a night?

    Thats just for soundcloud. The podcast has been number one in the itunes charts for the last nine days too.


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    #105
    wnolan1992
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    ~12,000 Soundcloud plays for Ep. 2 in 24 hours. Not bad. :)

    Really enjoyed it. Great to have more of their regular contributors chipping, great to hear US Murph again.

    I'd be worried if they have Richie Sadlier on every week though. I know he knows his stuff, but IMO they'd be better off to vary the pundits as much as possible.

    Still no direct link for the .mp3 either, and the audio levels were dodgy in parts again, but these really are minor things.


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    #106
    Skid X
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    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    I'd be worried if they have Richie Sadlier on every week though. I know he knows his stuff, but IMO they'd be better off to vary the pundits as much as possible.

    That's true although I think they are doing reasonably well on the Pundit front so far, given some of their former contributors are still on Newstalk. I wonder if the pundits are appearing on the Podcast as a favour or would they be getting paid?

    I think the Podcast is going well, great coup to get Brian O'Driscoll this week (giving his first interview since the 'one more year' decision. The download numbers seem to be healthy and I think they are getting the balance of different sports about right. It is difficult to cram a week of Sport into an hour but it sounds good to me.

    I still hope they all get back on the Radio in a fulltime gig soon either together or separately. I don't think Podcasting to an Irish audience will pay many bills for five people. Even if they ultimately go their separate ways it is nice to have the Second Captains back for an encore after their abrupt departure.


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    #107
    armchair fusilier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭armchair fusilier


    I'm enjoying the podcasts, but for me they are really lacking a "Ken's newsround". Having Richie on every week eats into Ken's time. I would much rather have heard a Ken's newsround-type take on the pig's head story than Richie's scatalogical Millwall anecdotes. I like him, but there is only so may times that he can keep going back to that "when I was at Millwall" well.


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    #108
    starviewadams
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    Think Richie's contributions are pretty good myself,fits in perfectly with the humour of the lads.Not much scope for a newsround style segment from Ken given the weekly nature of the show,especially now that the football season's over.

    Not much of a rugby fan but thought the Brian O'Driscoll interview was excellent.


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    #109
    Muff Richardson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    its an absolute load of ****e. not to mention the problems they are having with audio. Is there an iphone in the middle of the table using that voice record app?

    heard a bit of saddler going on about the death of his dog and initially i thought he was talking about his aul lad. muppet. (just wanted to stick that in)

    looks like they had a pretty good background/research team in newstalk which they didnt bring with them.

    brutal. dreadful. awful.

    big shame


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    #110
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    starviewadams wrote: »
    Think Richie's contributions are pretty good myself,fits in perfectly with the humour of the lads.Not much scope for a newsround style segment from Ken given the weekly nature of the show,especially now that the football season's over.

    Not much of a rugby fan but thought the Brian O'Driscoll interview was excellent.

    I agree, I think Sadliers contributions have been very good so far. The bit in the first podcast about Frank was brilliant. A little marley and me moment...

    I'd love to know the budgets they had on newstalk compared to now. I suppose it was due to how long they were away, but I think they are just as good if not better. The lack of ads, news breaks is great.

    Loving it so far... Keep it up lads... Though I think they should have two shows a week. Monday review and Thursday preview show.

    I haven't turned on the off the ball NT show for over a month at this stage. Can't see that changing anytime soon.

    I wonder who the lads will have on the podcast to discuss England V Ireland


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    #111
    armchair fusilier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭armchair fusilier


    starviewadams wrote: »
    Think Richie's contributions are pretty good myself,fits in perfectly with the humour of the lads.Not much scope for a newsround style segment from Ken given the weekly nature of the show,especially now that the football season's over.

    I prefer the humour of the newsround myself and think a weekly newsround would work prefectly well, but as you say it's a bit academic now since the season is all but over. It all depends on how permanent these podcasts are going to be.
    Deedsie wrote: »

    I wonder who the lads will have on the podcast to discuss England V Ireland

    Oh, at a guess - Richie. Normally it would be either either Dion Fanning or Daniel McDonnell, but as they are Indo journalists that's not going to happen. Maybe Emmet Malone.


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    #112
    Imhof Tank
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    Minor brush with fame there 10 minutes ago.

    Ken Early behind me in the queue at Fresh, Camden St. Heard that unmistakable voice "eh, tweny marlburrow red please", turned around and there was the great man himself standing there.

    The guy is a hero to me. I was going to say something supportive re the podcast but you know how it is when you go blank and the moment passes ........

    (Felt I had to post that)


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    #113
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    You would miss Ken, that reference to Zeus coming back to earth as a begger when talking about Mourinho was brilliant.


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    #114
    soc160
    Closed Accounts Posts: 522 ✭✭✭soc160


    Just out of curiosity, would any of the hardcore OTB fans pay for the lads podcast? Say if they finished with the Irish Times at the end of the month or whatever, would people be that devoted to pay a few euro for a subscription?


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    #115
    Stavro Mueller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    No chance unless it was very keenly priced. Even though I like podcasts in general I'd be very reluctant to pay for any of them. And I'm saying that as someone who does pay for music etc. Whereas an album I buy might end up being something I listen to for years to come, I consider a sports podcast to be very much in the here and now and will be mostly irrelevant in a short while.


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    #116
    gnfnrhead
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    soc160 wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, would any of the hardcore OTB fans pay for the lads podcast? Say if they finished with the Irish Times at the end of the month or whatever, would people be that devoted to pay a few euro for a subscription?

    Charging for it would kill it. Hardly anyone would pay for a radio show podcast.


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    #117
    Stavro Mueller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    Yes, it's like the paywalls that newspapers put up. People just go elsewhere for their news.


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    #118
    styron
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    cymbaline wrote: »
    Yes, it's like the paywalls that newspapers put up. People just go elsewhere for their news.

    Unless the papers all jump and paywall together - the IT and Independent are both moving to a "soft" metered paywall system at the end of the year with free limited page views or general news and paying for higher usage or specialist/niche content.

    The Second Captain's podcasts fit that strategy of providing enhanced digital content to entice subscription while keeping the lads in the radio "shop window" (ideally until 2FM comes to its senses and kills off that stale imitation tribute show).


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    #119
    gnfnrhead
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    styron wrote: »
    Unless the papers all jump and paywall together - the IT and Independent are both moving to a "soft" metered paywall system at the end of the year with free limited page views or general news and paying for higher usage or specialist/niche content.

    The Second Captain's podcasts fit that strategy of providing enhanced digital content to entice subscription while keeping the lads in the radio "shop window" (ideally until 2FM comes to its senses and kills off that stale imitation tribute show).

    And they will be screwed. If you only want the news you can find it in a matter of seconds on Google.


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    #120
    Stavro Mueller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    That's it in a nutshell. There's nothing I want to read so badly behind a paywall that has had me reaching for the credit card. Much as I loved the original OTB, I can't see myself paying for the podcasts. Anyway, even if people did pay for them it'd not be financially viable.


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    #121
    armchair fusilier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭armchair fusilier


    ken is a guest on this weeks "Hang Up and Listen" podcast.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/hang_up_and_listen/2013/05/olympic_wrestling_vote_hang_up_and_listen_on_david_beckham_and_alex_ferguson.html


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