Ridiculous short interval at traffic lights

FarmerBob wrote: »

Not so, lots of pedestrian crossings are on auto, so they run every time regardless of whether someone is waiting to cross or not.

markpb wrote: »

Lots? I haven't seen a junction in Dublin configured like that in years. Where are they?

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Can you provide an example of a single one which automatically stops traffic?

North quays at Millennium Bridge is definitely one, cycle through there every morning shortly after 06:00 and there's rarely if ever any pedestrians but lights often red for traffic.
Ha'penny Bridge crossing is only about 100m later and lights often red there also despite no pedestrians but that's on a separate sequence to allow traffic exit from Liffey Street Lower onto the quays so not entirely pedestrian crossing related.
Most of the quays have a 30km/h limit and light sequences supposedly account for that to provide free flowing traffic. In many years of cycling both sides of the quays averaging 30km/h I’ve never once had a continuous run without having to stop at multiple red lights.

Driving in Dublin is a nightmare and I believe light sequences are a contributor. Drive along the likes of the north or south circular roads for instance at any time of day or night and you’ll never get a continuous flow without traffic lights impeding progress. I don’t understand how commuters can stick driving on a daily basis

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

North quays at Millennium Bridge is definitely one, cycle through there every morning shortly after 06:00 and there's rarely if ever any pedestrians but lights often red for traffic.

How can you be sure somebody didn't press the button then cross before the green man?

Ha'penny Bridge crossing is only about 100m later and lights often red there also despite no pedestrians but that's on a separate sequence to allow traffic exit from Liffey Street Lower onto the quays so not entirely pedestrian crossing related.

So definitely not going red automatically for pedestrians, it's for another traffic movement.

Driving in Dublin is a nightmare and I believe light sequences are a contributor. Drive along the likes of the north or south circular roads for instance at any time of day or night and you’ll never get a continuous flow without traffic lights impeding progress. I don’t understand how commuters can stick driving on a daily basis

There's an awful lot of junctions with crossing traffic though.
I love the irony of car commuters complaining about the traffic... as if they're not part of the problem

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Can you provide an example of a single one which automatically stops traffic?

Both side of the river at Four Courts...both sides of river at Capel St Bridge,,crossings at Halfpoenny bridge...O'Connell Bridge...etc etc

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You can't expect everyone to live within 10km of their work even in the most densely populated high rise city. It's reasonable that many of those who do though could switch to cycling. Motorcycling is also a totally overlooked congestion-busting alternative in this country for distances over 10km.

Yep agree re motorcycling - but even 10k would prove too much for many people to cycle..it's shouldn't be but it is.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

If it's jammed, then people are using it and finding it feasible :rolleyes:

Yes more capacity is needed but getting more private cars off the road allows the existing bus fleet to provide much more and more frequent capacity

Dublin really needs a metro, but how many of your fellow farmers do you think would agree?

Metro is years over due...

magicbastarder wrote: »

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Driving in Dublin is a nightmare and I believe light sequences are a contributor. Drive along the likes of the north or south circular roads for instance at any time of day or night and you’ll never get a continuous flow without traffic lights impeding progress. I don’t understand how commuters can stick driving on a daily basis

i suspect it's other traffic which is a greater impediment on progress?

You forgot to bold the day or night piece. Generally yes but in the middle of the night with no other traffic you still don't get a clear run anywhere, lights impede any sort of consistent progress.

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

North quays at Millennium Bridge is definitely one, cycle through there every morning shortly after 06:00 and there's rarely if ever any pedestrians but lights often red for traffic.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

How can you be sure somebody didn't press the button then cross before the green man?

Because whether on the bike or in the car I read the road ahead and if lights are likely to turn I'll ease off on the pedaling/pedal. At that junction I have a clear view ahead and having gone through it hundreds of times mostly early morning it turns red for no other reason that the timed sequence.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

As a motorist you get 90% of the transport funding. 90% of the road allocation. The majority of the time at the lights. Can basically drive door to door to most destinations. And you're here to plead the beal bocht?

Just wait until you're in a rush to get somewhere and then come back to us.

To be honest, if the policy is pedestrian priority, that's fine but there needs to be public consultation on it. Ramming through permanent changes on the back of a temporary public health crisis is underhand and undemocratic tbh. Stifling opposition with the argument that "you can't be against public health" is pure deflection.

But the old adage goes, never waste a crisis.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Like when you're walking on the west side of Westmoreland Street and want to get to the east side of O'Connell Street?

Pedestrians have been treated like utter sh!t in the city centre for decades.

Dundrum village is where it's at for Pedestrians from Monday next 10th....South Dublin CC are beavering away to provide new and unusal options for walkers and PT users....Plenty of "Ecumenical Matter" thought processes on view here....

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/news/general-news/dundrum-village-mobility-public-space-enhancement-update

The proposed bus stops on the Dundrum Bypass will be fully accessible for those who are mobility-challenged, with accessible routes available to Main St., Dundrum Town Centre and close to the Wyckham Way Roundabout. In planning the proposed changes to bus routes and stops, we have worked closely with the National Transport Authority (NTA) and the public bus companies, so as to ensure that the adverse effects of the changes will be kept to a minimum. However, in order to provide the critical safety measures on Main St. and Sandyford Road and to reallocate space for the safety of pedestrians and cyclists, the alterations to the bus routes are deemed necessary.

Wonder who did the "deeming"...

Whilst most of the stakeholders we have engaged with were positive about what we are proposing, not all were and we will engage further with stakeholders as the project proceeds.

Gosh....I await the results of the engagement...:)

In tandem (!) with other Local Authorities and stakeholders SDCC,in a roundabout way grudgingly admit that this entire project is a bit of a "Suck it and see" job.....I wonder if they bothered with a Risk Assessment or is it "a sure'n it'll be grand Ted...just grand" ?

Anyway,for the Bus Customers,there are many colouredy lines to admire....

https://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Route-Changes-on-Routes-14-44-and-44b/

Nothing from GAI,as yet....https://www.goaheadireland.ie/

Enjoy....:D

turning right at SCR into kilmainham is the worst

yeh maybe not changed but its impossible to get thru there at times
lights change and go red and no cars can get thru due to yellow box and traffic from n4 backed up

magicbastarder wrote: »

was wondering the other day, if they wanted to make the lights more pedestrian friendly, why not change the sequence of the lights, rather than the timings alone?

e.g. at some junctions i've seen, they go green for north, then south, then east, then west, then pedestrian, then repeat.

why not do N, S, Ped, E, W, Ped, then repeat? rather than N, S, E, W, Ped, repeat?

i was third in a queue at some lights the other day and the lights were already red again by the time i has halfway through the junction after them going green.

Then it would be even longer.

Why they got the notion to do what they're doing creating more traffic then ever and constant stop and start.

donvito99 wrote: »

The rationale was publicised. Discourage people from travelling long distances (e.g. make driving less convenient) and reduce the risk of pedestrians infecting one another.

On a green plan it's crazy, more pollution.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

As if you care about pollution, all you do is give out about the Greens. Do you even believe there's such thing as harmful pollution? Funny how people bend things to suit their agenda.

? Of course I do... The greens are about tax and more tax and anything else they can add money on...
If vehicles have to constantly stop start that's worse. The light sequence is gone mad.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If it's taxes that are required to stop our unfettered planet destroying consumption then so be it.

That's not how it works, people need to be given an alternative and one that they can afford or say a scheme where it's possible to pay off over a longer term.