CoronaVirus

SwordofLight · 18-02-2020 1:53pm

Had a flight booked to Hungary tomorrow, looking at cancelling. Just too big a risk if coronavirus is knocking about. We don't know what the virus actually does to people yet. It could be symptomless and cause issues like fertility problems etc I don't think it's just a harmless flu for youunger people... What would you do?

saabsaab · 18-02-2020 2:20pm

SwordofLight wrote: »

Had a flight booked to Hungary tomorrow, looking at cancelling. Just too big a risk if coronavirus is knocking about. We don't know what the virus actually does to people yet. It could be symptomless and cause issues like fertility problems etc I don't think it's just a harmless flu for youunger people... What would you do?

Can you cancel and get a refund, I would.

SwordofLight · 18-02-2020 2:32pm

If the virus becomes a pandemic, and new research emerging from Thailand is to be believed - that anyone who contracts it, although recovering from the flu-like symptoms, may be rendered infertile - then it could potentially cause the extinction of human kind

killbillvol2 · 18-02-2020 3:33pm

SwordofLight wrote: »

If the virus becomes a pandemic, and new research emerging from Thailand is to be believed - that anyone who contracts it, although recovering from the flu-like symptoms, may be rendered infertile - then it could potentially cause the extinction of human kind

Words fail me.

So the Thai authorities are testing patients' fertility after they recover from the flu?

And this ludicrous story would suggest to you that you shouldn't travel to Hungary?

SwordofLight · 18-02-2020 3:38pm

How is it ludicrous? Infertility is one of the most commonly studied side-effects...

and it's not the flu they are studying, it's corona-virus.

here is an article.

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-latest-research-published-by-chinese-scientists-say-coronavirus-will-render-most-male-patients-infertile

killbillvol2 · 18-02-2020 3:39pm

SwordofLight wrote: »

How is it ludicrous? Infertility is one of the most commonly studied side-effects...

and it's not the flu they are studying, it's corona-virus.

here is an article.

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-latest-research-published-by-chinese-scientists-say-coronavirus-will-render-most-male-patients-infertile

Which says that there's no corroboration for the research.

wakka12 · 18-02-2020 3:41pm

SwordofLight wrote: »

If the virus becomes a pandemic, and new research emerging from Thailand is to be believed - that anyone who contracts it, although recovering from the flu-like symptoms, may be rendered infertile - then it could potentially cause the extinction of human kind

It'd probably be the saviour of man kind seeing as the world is way over populated. Nowhere near 100% of the world will get it anyway, even in the very worst case scenario

SwordofLight · 18-02-2020 3:47pm

I think seeing as this has only come about over the past few weeks it's a serious achievement to have it in a journal period. It will take time to be potentially endorsed by other studies which, thanks to this finding, may take more time to specifically research.

I think it's dangerous to imply that a fresh piece of research is ludicrous just because it has not had time to be robustly peer-reviewed killbill.

killbillvol2 · 18-02-2020 3:50pm

SwordofLight wrote: »

I think seeing as this has only come about over the past few weeks it's a serious achievement to have it in a journal period. It will take time to be potentially endorsed by other studies which, thanks to this finding, may take more time to specifically research.

I think it's dangerous to imply that a fresh piece of research is ludicrous just because it has not had time to be robustly peer-reviewed killbill.

Can you quote a reputable source for the story?

Which still doesn't explain what it has to do with travelling to Hungary?

SwordofLight · 18-02-2020 4:19pm

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Can you quote a reputable source for the story?

Which still doesn't explain what it has to do with travelling to Hungary?

Erm there's a link in my post with reference to the journal where the work can be found? Why don't you look that up?

Well, pretty obvious i would think, in that i want to minimise the chances of catching a virus that has massive human to human infectious ratios. At this stage they cannot detect it accurately which means the numbers of people infected are massively underestimated... for that you should check out the Guardian's most recent article which was posted a few hours ago. Boil the kettle.

Fiona · 24-02-2020 9:56am

Hi all

Have Rome booked for 3 nights at the end of March. I have travel insurance.

If the airlines cancel flights would we be refunded the cost of our holiday?

Is anybody rethinking their future travel plans as a result of this, or are you just going to invest in some good quality masks, gloves, anti bac and go on your merry way?

Ponster · 24-02-2020 10:14am

I remember that when SARS was in the news many flights were cancelled and covered by insurance but of course it may depend on your specific policy.

I wouldn't bother with the gloves/masks. Unless you're buying a specialised one (N95 respirator) then it won't protect you very much. Washing your hands, not touching your face and using anti-bac is still the best prevention.

Fiona · 24-02-2020 10:37am

I have read over the document but you know yourself the game of insurance is to not pay out if they can get away with it.

I don't mind investing in the proper masks the last thing I want to do it put myself at risk and others.

The holiday was cheap enough €522 and we have two tours booked €200 so thankfully if we cancel it won't be the end of the world.

Just hard to know what to do!

(I have cruise booked for August that am I more worried about!)

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 24-02-2020 10:39am

We have travel in Italy booked for a month, June and July. Should we be concerned? Or is it far enough away yet that it may be OK?

Tenzor07 · 24-02-2020 10:52am

Flying into Malpensa in a couple of weeks, no plans at all to change that. Unless there's travel advice from the DFA not to travel, or the Italian government decides to restrict flights in and out of the country.

Will bring some anti-bac wipes and handwash for the flight... Anyone who coughs or sneezes beside me, I will ask to be seated elsewhere!

Fiona · 24-02-2020 11:21am

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

We have travel in Italy booked for a month, June and July. Should we be concerned? Or is it far enough away yet that it may be OK?

I would like to think by that time there will be some form of slow down / vaccine etc

mct1 · 24-02-2020 11:40am

World Health Organisation has just said a vaccine is at least 18 months away.

Fiona · 24-02-2020 12:01pm

mct1 wrote: »

World Health Organisation has just said a vaccine is at least 18 months away.

Ah well then that's that!

Tenzor07 · 24-02-2020 12:20pm

Northern Italy seems to be going into a lock down, trains from Italy to Austria are halted and multiple public and sporting events cancelled.
Airports still open, no news on any additional screening.

I'm heading to North Italy soon so will keep watch on the websites:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.salute.gov.it%2Fnuovocoronavirus

CBear1993 · 24-02-2020 12:47pm

Was planning to go away at easter with the girlfriend, we're both mid 20s. Looking at various places in Europe including italy. Yesterday's news about the outbreak in Northern Italy is quite concerning.. stalling our bookings now.

The chinese government obviously have played this virus down all along. It's now killed 3 europeans inside 48 hours after contracting.

If china could have forgot about their wallet for once and shut down the whole country for 2-3 weeks after first outbreak - no flights, no trains, no boats, it would have been contained. Now how do we know it isn't it several countries in the world?

I don't condone Ryanair CEO's comments over the weekend about selective screening - but let's be honest. Shouldn't airports take extra precautions on people of Asian descent passing through right now?

Tenzor07 · 24-02-2020 1:30pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Was planning to go away at easter with the girlfriend, we're both mid 20s. Looking at various places in Europe including italy. Yesterday's news about the outbreak in Northern Italy is quite concerning.. stalling our bookings now.

Update on Italy, it's only some places in the North:

The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) on its website has advised Irish citizens to “not travel to affected areas” in Italy due to a recent increase in coronavirus cases.

The department has not provided a definitive list of the areas affected by Covid-19, saying to consult transport and accommodation providers, the regional government website of the region in question.

Tabnabs · 24-02-2020 1:37pm

mct1 wrote: »

World Health Organisation has just said a vaccine is at least 18 months away.

Have heard the same a few weeks ago on BBC Radio interview from a scientist in a laboratory in the UK that has a vaccine developed. There is no quick solution to this.

Fiona · 24-02-2020 1:41pm

http://jrnl.ie/5019390f

Looking like I wont be getting to this match either!!
I hope there will be refunds.

bennyl10 · 24-02-2020 1:41pm

Fiona wrote: »

Ah well then that's that!

The summer temperatures SHOULD slow this down a fair bit

and then it'll start again in the winter.

SusanC10 · 24-02-2020 2:13pm

So, the DFA are advising against all travel to the affected areas in Italy. Does this mean the areas on lockdown or all of the Region eg all of Lombardy and Veneto etc ??

My friend and her family are planning to fly to Venice for Easter. Staying on coast near Venice. (Just talking to her on the phone this am)
We ourselves are planning to fly to Verona in June (obviously wait and see for ourselves).

But, just in general, will Travel Insurance cover this ? As there is a Travel Advisory and providing still in force for relevant dates. Everything booked in 2019.

Springfields · 24-02-2020 2:51pm

SusanC10 wrote: »

So, the DFA are advising against all travel to the affected areas in Italy. Does this mean the areas on lockdown or all of the Region eg all of Lombardy and Veneto etc ??

My friend and her family are planning to fly to Venice for Easter. Staying on coast near Venice. (Just talking to her on the phone this am)
We ourselves are planning to fly to Verona in June (obviously wait and see for ourselves).

But, just in general, will Travel Insurance cover this ? As there is a Travel Advisory and providing still in force for relevant dates. Everything booked in 2019.

We are planning family trip to Spain in June. Concerned now with situation in Italy. Contacted travel agency who said they will follow official guidelines and they will be in touch should a travel ban come into effect..also checked our insurance and you're not covered in case of an epidemic or pandemic! So unsure what to do now. Balance of holiday not due till mid march so hoping we will have some clarification by then ....

pinkypinky · 24-02-2020 4:09pm

Similar issue.

I spoke to VHI Multitrip.
The only country they're currently covering claims for is China but the query for Italy is with the underwriters.
I was told that the DFA website has to update to the same wording as China's:

We advise you to Avoid Non Essential Travel to China.

So currently they wouldn't entertain a claim based on the coronavirus in Italy.

SusanC10 · 24-02-2020 5:05pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Similar issue.

I spoke to VHI Multitrip.
The only country they're currently covering claims for is China but the query for Italy is with the underwriters.
I was told that the DFA website has to update to the same wording as China's:

We advise you to Avoid Non Essential Travel to China.

So currently they wouldn't entertain a claim based on the coronavirus in Italy.

Thanks for that.
Tried calling VHI there now but they have a call-back in place so I will get a call back in the next 48 hours.

ifElseThen · 24-02-2020 5:20pm

WHO saying it has peaked and plateaued already in China.
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YpJkQPBjLBKj

We (2 adults + 5 kids) are off to Bella Italia in April so hoping it has tapered off by then.

SusanC10 · 24-02-2020 7:26pm

http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0224/1117217-world-coronavirus/

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