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05-06-2019, 09:51   #1141
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05-06-2019, 09:59   #1142
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Why do the GAA have a television advertisement immediately after the Champions League final, or advertisements grouped around major soccer matches?
"Why do Irish people support English teams?" has a whiff of Sinn Fein / GAA about it.

The answer is it is better football.
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05-06-2019, 10:30   #1143
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"Why do Irish people support English teams?" has a whiff of Sinn Fein / GAA about it.

The answer is it is better football.
Why does anyone from Gillingham bother their hole supporting the Gills if this is the case? Premier League is better football than League One...
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05-06-2019, 10:41   #1144
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This thread lol

So what people like to support teams from England and sit in the comfort of their home rather than spend time with friends and attend a local LOI if there is a team close to them.

Each to their own we are all following the same sport so why should it matter if people want to follow it on tv and get the same enjoyment as someone who goes to a local game?

It is all about how the person feels, and really should anyone else care how others get their enjoyment other than if it is not legal?

With LOI games mostly on Friday nights people can do both attend the LOI game and then enjoy a one of the multiple games that is on tv over a weekend.
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But the Irish EPL supporters are particularly insincere in thier approach.
Not only do they support a foreign club which they chose, But the chose the club who are winning/or have a good chance of winning.
Absolute nonsense and insulting to real football fans. If a local team want supporters its there job to persuade people to support them and if there not able to do this then the team doesnt deserve support. Football fans also have other things to do with there lives. if a club cannot prove that there great for my community or provide good entertainment why should I bother. They cannot expect blind loyalty without giving something in return, if a fan is not getting enjoyment or a sense of community back then he should not be supporting his local team. If a fan of a foreign team is getting enjoyment then the foreign club are giving something back
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Rubbish. If say you grew up in Westport in Mayo (like me), wheres my 'local' LoI club? The nearest one ever has been Galway (50 miles away). The next nearest are 75 to 80 miles way (Sligo, Longford etc). Heres a map of showing a distribution of LoI clubs (not all are shown). The LoI is not relevant to many people who like soccer in this country. Thats not intended as a derogatory comment btw, but one based on geography.

Well if there was enough of likeminded people like yourself with enough of interest a club could be formed to represent your area.
That is how clubs are created.

For example evergreen united in Kilkenny

http://evergreenfc.ie/history/

Or Wexfords Youths

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wexford_F.C.

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Why do the GAA have a television advertisement immediately after the Champions League final, or advertisements grouped around major soccer matches?
"Why do Irish people support English teams?" has a whiff of Sinn Fein / GAA about it.

The answer is it is better football.
How has Sinn Fein got anything to with it that is really stretching things.
Ironicaly a lot of the Sinn Fein voters you seem to be referring to say 'we' for Celtic that is just as bad as the Premier League 'we' brigades.
Another form of delusion.
As I said If I suddenly decided I wanted to support Holland instead of Ireland what would be said to me? I like the jerseys an emotional connection etc.
The same argument people use for supporting clubs.

I would hardly call myself a Sinn Fein supporter, but can you imagine the abuse I would get from the very same Irish Premier League Supporters if I wore an English jersey and cheered on England over Ireland?


How many times in a pub when an EFA game is on where the Barman turns down the volume for 'God Save the Queen'.
Then turns it back up again.
It has very little to do with how people vote or do not vote, it is just the bizarre cognitive dissonance that Irish people have around soccer and the Premier League.
It's bizarre and had been normalised.
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How many times in a pub when an EFA game is on where the Barman turns down the volume for 'God Save the Queen'.
Then turns it back up again.
What?
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I've never been in a pub for FA Cup final day but I have seen people over here give out yards on Facebook. ''Why are they playing that f*cking anthem, horrible''. Well pal, Manchester is in England and that's the anthem they use. It's the English cup final... their final, not yours.
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Absolute nonsense and insulting to real football fans. If a local team want supporters its there job to persuade people to support them and if there not able to do this then the team doesnt deserve support. Football fans also have other things to do with there lives. if a club cannot prove that there great for my community or provide good entertainment why should I bother. They cannot expect blind loyalty without giving something in return, if a fan is not getting enjoyment or a sense of community back then he should not be supporting his local team. If a fan of a foreign team is getting enjoyment then the foreign club are giving something back
How is it insulting to real football fans?
Is it insulting because it is true?
If they were real football fans and just loved the sport they would not care what level the team they call thier own is at.
It always has to be the top european teams or the teams that are winning.

The fans who it insulting to are the local fans of this big clubs, the atmosphere dies, people are there for the spectacle from all around the world.
Cameras are out, it is a holiday.
It forces locals to struggle to get tickets.
Man City is a prime example how many Man City jerseys were seen around Ireland when they were in the third tier twenty years ago?
When the chant was 'feed the Goat and he will score.'

Yet the ironic thing is some of Irish Premier league fans of the more traditional top teams Liverpool/Man United/Arsenal have the gall to say that Man City are not a real club - it is oil money.

But those same Arsenal/Man United/Liverpool Irish fans were attracted to thier club because of thier success and money!
Some Irish Premier League supporters consider themselves real fans not like Man City Irish fans for example.

It is really crazy the more I think about it.

It sounds like you just want a 'shiny product' rather than an actual team for the love of the sport.
I think that is insulting to real football fans.

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What?
When an English FA cup match is on the barman in a pub turns down the volume when God Save the Queen is on and puts it back up when it is finished.
How many times have you seen that?
Plus it is even funnier if the barman 'supports' a premier league team.
It's mad really.
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When an English FA cup match is on the barman in a pub turns down the volume when God Save the Queen is on and puts it back up when it is finished.
How many times have you seen that?
Never in my life
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How is it insulting to real football fans?
Is it insulting because it is true?
If they were real football fans and just loved the sport they would not care what level the team they call thier own is at.
It always has to be the top european teams or the teams that are winning.
Why do Bohemians have higher attendances when they are at top of the table?
If Shelbourne get promoted back to Premier Division, should they insist only people who attended in Division One can get in?
Should they turn away any new fans as insulting to real fans?

Why even bother attending a Bohemians and Shelbourne, if they don't care about the level watch an even more local team like Home Farm or Fairview CY?

Based on your model of real football fans, there should be an equal distribution of real fans according to how local the team is.
Bohemians shouldn't have more fans than a team in the Leinster Senior League.
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Why do Irish people support NFL teams?
Why do Irish people watch and enjoy tennis and have favourite players such as Serena Williams or Rafa Nadal instead of James McGee (who I had to google if there was any Irish tennis players )?
Why do Irish people watch Formula 1 and pick Mercedes over Jordan?
Why do Irish people play cricket, and then chose to play for Englans?
Why do Irish people watch NBA basketball and support the Chicago Bulls instead of Moycullen?
Why do Irish people watch and enjoy golf, and have golfers such as Speith as thir favorite, rather than Rory McIlroy with his changing allegiance?
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If Everton played Bohemians in a European game, and you're from Phibsborough you would kinda be expected to be cheering for Bohs.
If you are from Clontarf or Donegal, there'd be no expectations. If you are from Killybegs likely you'd be expected to cheer for Everton.
But the fella from Phibsboro is statistically more likely to be an Everton supporter because they won the FA Cup in 1995 or something

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Once they have played a competitive match for a country as an adult, they are locked into that country for life.
If they have eligibility to multiple countries, they have a choice as to which country to declare for. There is no transfer fee, no waiting for contract to expire. It is an entirely personal decision.
Declan Rice could opt for England or Ireland, he couldn't opt for Netherlands. He currently plays for West Ham, he could in future play for Ajax or PSV.

But if any player lives in a country continuously for five years regardless of any connection he can play for that country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_e...Modern_changes

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If you were from Luxembourg, cheering on Netherlands would be more understandable, I guess because the country you'd be expected to cheer for, even if they are in same pyramid, aren't (even periodically) at the same competitive level as Netherlands. If ROI didn't quality for a finals competitions, cheering on Netherlands would also be totally understandable. But if Ireland are playing Netherlands in a playoff, it will be thought strange for an Irish person to want Netherlands to win. But it's a free country, you are free to do that and people are free to think that's a little strange.

If you move to the Netherlands, live there for at least a year and pick up a slight Dutch accent, you'd probably be alright either way!
Exactly, but it is not strange for an Irish person who never lived in England to cheer on an English club over his local club for example -
A fella from Tallaght shouting for Liverpool against Shamrock Rovers.
It is odd I think, that the fans have an unwritten rule at international leval and it is free for all at club level.

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