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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.You claim no one binges drinks in pubs. I reckon that's crap. Let's move on.
No, I dont, I said most - again, and after apologising for jumping to conclusions - You jump to conclusions!
If an off licence buys a six pack of Dutch gold for (I don't have a clue what margins are on drink, so this is hypotheticall) €3.50, and it retails at €6
If MUP successfully gets over the line, and Dutch gold must now be sold at 1.80 a can.
Off license still buys at 3.50, and now is legally obliged to sell at 10.80€.
See the bold bit - thats why you sound like an idiot and your opinion is null and void.
If you believe thats how this works then any arguments you put forward from here on in, including the earth is round, the sun is hot and water is wet, are to be discounted!
Please educate yourself on the basics of an argument before engaging in it.
Your post is ridiculous
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.This below cost selling is another red herring.
I have never seen one ounce of evidence that any of the supermarkets or Off licenses are indulging in it. Perhaps someone has a source that proves it?
Someone mentioned earlier that Lidl sell 6 packs here for +€7 , yet sell the same 6 pack for 3.50 in Portugal.
Surely we're not being asked to believe that Lidl pay more than €7 here for the same product they sell for less than €4 in another place?
Also, if anyone believes an offlicense is partaking in below cost selling on its products they are also allowing themselves to be fooled.
Bottles of bud in the offlicense going for 1.50 each. 4.50 in the pub.
Bottles of wine, 10 in O'Briens, €25 in the local pub.
Publicans need to up their game and adapt their business model. Period.
Surely you must consider the costs involved in running a pub. You simply cant ignore them - it's totally unfair to compare the price of anything in an off licence to the price of the same anything in a pub.
Im not going to go into it unless you really really dont understand, but I will presume your not stupid and you know the difference in the two.
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.Binge drinking is consuming more than 3 drinks in one sitting apparently. If we are to use these statistics, I would wager that their are a good deal more "binge drinkers" on a binge in a bar than at home each and every evening of the week.
I like how you completely and utterly selected one part of my post, and ignores the other where I question the health concerns facade. Says it all really.
Again. I think you selectively read what you want to read. Perhaps you missed this part of my post.
So you cling to the hypothetical figures, that I openly states where hypothetical, and accuse me of being an idiot if it makes you feel a bit better champ.
If I believe that's how what works?
Do I believe that a business buys a product at x amount, and resells at y amount to achieve a profit?
Guilty as charged.
Perhaps you'll enlighten us so.
Im not going to enlighten you - do your research before spouting nonesense. You claim the off licences will pocket the difference when minimum pricing comes in - that is not the case whatsoever.
Im sorry but im sticking you on ignore, i want to stay involved in the conversation but this type of nonesense is exhausting. thanks
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Im not going to enlighten you - do your research before spouting nonesense. You claim the off licences will pocket the difference when minimum pricing comes in - that is not the case whatsoever.
Im sorry but im sticking you on ignore, i want to stay involved in the conversation but this type of nonesense is exhausting. thanks
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.The consumer does not need to consider it, that is the business owners problem. Do you adjust the price of your product based on my disposable income?
If your costs are too high to enable you to compete then do something about the costs.
You still haven't given any explanation of why a btl of Carlsberg costing €1.50 in the offy can be charged at €4.50 in the pub. Higher costs it seems to be, then you, and the industry, have a serious issue.
It seems VFI and the government think the best way to deal with that is to remove the competition. Show me another industry where that approach has worked?
Our costs are too high, but as you point out we dont adjust our prices to accomodate your DI so I take your point.
I would point out however that if we were to sell a btl of carlsberg at €1:50, all things considered we would be losing money and selling at a loss!!
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.No, you would not be selling at a loss. Pedantic point but one that should be pointed out. No way an offy can buy and sell a btl at €1.50 and still make money and you can't.
Yes there is a way.
The rates on a standard sized off licence would be about a grand - my own are 8k!
The Insurance on a standard sized off licence would be about €500 pa - Mine is 8k
The heating - electricity and numerous other things are exponentially higher in a pub than they are in an off licence so I whole heartedly disagree with your above point.
Adaptation etc has nothing to do with what we are discussing (mup) so I wont go into it!
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.As I said, it is pedantic point. You are not technically selling at a loss, however you may make a loss overall. Anyway, I agree that you may end up losing money.
ThanksMUP is aimed at reducing the price gap between the offy and the pub. My point about adaption is that most other industries need to adapt to survive rather than simply reduce the advantages of the competitors.
Thats not what it's aimed at though. Can you please identify where that is stated in the proposed legislationNo point going on about the health benefits, nobody believes it. I have no gra for the offy, but I don't like this clear attempt to legislate away the problem facing the pub.
I believe it - and through first hand experience believe it will improve the health of those who over indulge simply because it's cheap. Whether or not you perceive this to be the government pricing out the poor or not - the fact is overall, consumption levels across the country will fall, and some of those with alcohol issues will find it more difficult to binge drink. Which is, to put it in very simple terms, good for their health!!Instead, the likes of VFI etc should be getting together to overcome the issues they are facing. A proper transport structure (so that a pub such as yours can operate on more than just the willingness of the employees for eg), getting the breweries to help fund upgrades and help with reducing prices for soft drinks etc.
This has been ongoing for years with the VFI trying to get hackney licences etc available publicans in rural areas, taxi companies have no interest in operating at reduced rates - when people want taxi's they are allready busy at full price, and have no interest in hanging around rural areas for the chance of a couple of fares. Any taxis near us head to the towns at the weekends, we give our customers lifts home for free.
Coca cola again have a a designated driver scheme for years now, no-one uses it even though we have it advertised in our place. Free coke products for drivers.
No offence but your 2 "solutions" have been in effect for quite some time. I'd hazard a guess like many others posting in here your dont visit the pub very often!
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