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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,499 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    GT89 wrote: »
    Think about if there is severe virus a pandemic none the less going around the world then why are airports still open for business and have been for the last year?

    Why don't you think about it for once? People can still travel for essential reasons.

    Multiple airlines have stopped flights. Passenger numbers at Dublin Airport declined by 78% to almost 7.4 million last year due to the impact of the global COVID-19 pandemic. Passenger numbers at Dublin Airport have fallen further since the end of last year with January passenger numbers down by 90%. Daily passenger traffic is currently down by up to 98% compared to the same period in 2020.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,704 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    GT89 wrote: »
    Think about if there is severe virus a pandemic none the less going around the world then why are airports still open for business and have been for the last year?

    Because people and goods still need to travel, in most situations there are measures in place to take Covid tests before travel (and upon arrival in another country). Despite this intl. flights have dropped massively.

    We need to keep supply chains going, your supermarket stocked, life has to continue. We can't stop everything due to the risk of infection, there's a balance. This is why e.g. we don't wear masks at home, would it reduce infections? yes, but it's simply not feasible.

    Instead of believing Covid measures are some sort of "trick" that you have to catch out, try educating yourself in the first place, or even just reading this thread where this stuff is explained repeatedly


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    GT89 wrote: »
    Think about if there is severe virus a pandemic none the less going around the world then why are airports still open for business and have been for the last year?

    So if there is no virus, what is the reason for very limited international travel? Why are there restrictions? What is the benefit for each country in making international travel difficult if there is no virus?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,223 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    GT89 wrote: »
    Think about if there is severe virus a pandemic none the less going around the world then why are airports still open for business and have been for the last year?
    If any of your beliefs were true, why would you have to keep dodging and avoiding?
    If you're being so dishonest about everything, and again you guys have been nothing but, that means your conspiracy theories aren't true.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,348 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    GT89 wrote: »
    Think about if there is severe virus a pandemic none the less going around the world then why are airports still open for business and have been for the last year?

    For the same reason ferry, bus, train services etc are still open for business, because people/cargo still have to be moved from A to B, Ireland is an island nation and therefore has to have an air service running.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    For the same reason ferry, bus, train services etc are still open for business, because people/cargo still have to be moved from A to B, Ireland is an island nation and therefore has to have an air service running.

    Plenty of non essiential flights coming in from so called high risk countries. Are flights from Brazil really nessecary no we can refuse anyone from Brazil. All flights from outside the EU should be banned.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    GT89 wrote: »
    Plenty of non essiential flights coming in from so called high risk countries.

    What is the benefit to governments in closing down their economy or limiting air travel?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,704 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    GT89 wrote: »
    Plenty of non essiential flights coming in from so called high risk countries. Are flights from Brazil really nessecary no we can refuse anyone from Brazil. All flights from outside the EU should be banned.

    It takes 5 seconds to look this stuff up

    https://www.dw.com/en/european-travel-restrictions-non-essential-travel-curbed/a-56350272
    Several European Union nations, including Belgium, France, Portugal and Finland, have announced new travel or entry regulations. This follows discussions among EU leaders about restricting nonessential trips across the bloc's internal borders to contain the spread of the coronavirus, particularly the mutant strains emerging from the UK, South Africa and Brazil. Though travel into the EU is already severely restricted, beginning Sunday January 24, anybody arriving from outside the EU — possible only for those with essential reasons — would have to have a test for COVID-19 before departure. To combat the virulent UK strain, the EU has already blocked all but freight or travelers on essential trips from entering the bloc from Britain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,348 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    GT89 wrote: »
    Plenty of non essiential flights coming in from so called high risk countries. Are flights from Brazil really nessecary no we can refuse anyone from Brazil. All flights from outside the EU should be banned.

    I agree, and Irish people should be stopped from travelling too, but that cannot and will not happen. If they did do that posters would be here crying about how your rights have been taken away from you by the elites who faked a pandemic blah blah blah


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    GT89 wrote: »
    Plenty of non essiential flights coming in from so called high risk countries. Are flights from Brazil really nessecary no we can refuse anyone from Brazil. All flights from outside the EU should be banned.

    In your ninja edit you make your point even more pointless and contradict yourself from one line to the next.

    With your claim that "so called high risk countries" exist you are claiming that they are not really high risk and all travel should be permitted everywhere. Then you follow that up by saying that Brazil is a high risk country and all travel from outside Europe should be banned.

    You can't even remember what your claim is for the duration of a paragraph.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,704 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I agree, and Irish people should be stopped from travelling too, but that cannot and will not happen. If they did do that posters would be here crying about how your rights have been taken away from you by the elites who faked a pandemic blah blah blah

    Can imagine it now

    "How can they block international travel totally? what about essential travel? surely people can just have a Covid test? what about people's rights? why are they really doing this, what are they up to? it's just a little flu, yadda, yadda"


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,223 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    robinph wrote: »
    In your ninja edit you make your point even more pointless and contradict yourself from one line to the next.

    With your claim that "so called high risk countries" exist you are claiming that they are not really high risk and all travel should be permitted everywhere. Then you follow that up by saying that Brazil is a high risk country and all travel from outside Europe should be banned.

    You can't even remember what your claim is for the duration of a paragraph.
    Yea, I'm curious what conspiracy theorists think is happening in Brazil.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56342303
    Brazil experts issue warning as hospitals 'close to collapse'

    All fake?
    All crisis actors?
    Brazil doesn't really exist?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,704 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yea, I'm curious what conspiracy theorists think is happening in Brazil.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56342303



    All fake?
    All crisis actors?
    Brazil doesn't really exist?

    We've already seen that answer, it's "just dead people, so what".


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,704 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Unless of course it's a death related to a vaccine, then it's hysteria time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    GT89 wrote: »
    Plenty of non essiential flights coming in from so called high risk countries. Are flights from Brazil really nessecary no we can refuse anyone from Brazil. All flights from outside the EU should be banned.

    Why are you saying all flight from outside the EU should be banned?
    Is it because of people bringing (new strains of) covid into Ireland?

    Have you changed your mind about it being just a flu?
    Do you now see that covid is killing a lot more people than the flu, both in Ireland and around the world?


  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    sabat wrote: »
    Take over 500 sick elderly people out of hospitals where they have specialised equipment and staff and dump them overnight into nursing homes. What do you think might happen?

    So are you saying they didn't die of covid, they simply died because they were moved from a hospital to a nursing home?

    And when doctors were selecting the 500 people (if that's the number) to go to nursing homes, do think they picked the healthiest and least likely to need hospital care, or people that needed specialised equipment and would die without it?

    And do you think the virus is just a flu?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    PintOfView wrote: »
    So are you saying they didn't die of covid, they simply died because they were moved from a hospital to a nursing home?

    And when doctors were selecting the 500 people (if that's the number) to go to nursing homes, do think they picked the healthiest and least likely to need hospital care, or people that needed specialised equipment and would die without it?

    And do you think the virus is just a flu?

    The number is 534. If they were sick enough to be in hospital, were they suddenly well enough to not be in hospital? That action also had the effect of spreading infections into the homes and overwhelming the staff.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    sabat wrote: »
    The number is 534. If they were sick enough to be in hospital, were they suddenly well enough to not be in hospital? That action also had the effect of spreading infections into the homes and overwhelming the staff.

    Just to confirm before we move onto the really complicated stuff (like WTF this conspiracy is even about) ... You belive that covid-19 is real and a threat to people's lives and nations health systems?

    So assuming for a moment that you do agree with that, why do you think that restrictions are going to be permanent after covid-19 has been dealt with and that we're being boiling frogs?


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    sabat wrote: »
    The number is 534. If they were sick enough to be in hospital, were they suddenly well enough to not be in hospital? That action also had the effect of spreading infections into the homes and overwhelming the staff.
    You might be surprised to hear that people tend to get moved around based on where it is believed they will get the best care, taking all things into account.

    If someone is in ICU and the hospital goes on fire, they get transferred into an ambulance. This doesn't mean they're "not sick enough for a hospital anymore", just that at that moment in time, the ambulance is a better place for them than the hospital.

    The fact is that last April, huge numbers of patients across all ranges were discharged to their own homes or to nursing homes, if hospital care was not considered "absolutely necessary". It wasn't just older people. People who might otherwise have spent a week in hospital after major surgery, were discharged after 2-3 days.

    At any given time there are lots of people in hospital who won't die if they go home, but they don't because staying in hospital will ensure the best outcome for them in the long run.

    When you suddenly have a highly infectious pandemic, then hospitals are one of the last places you want someone to be if it can be at all avoided.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Almost everything the government has said about covid has been hypocrisy.

    Tell people they can't go more than 5km for exercise- Leave the airports open to all except the Irish
    Outdoors is better than indoors- close the golf courses and leave off licences open
    Schools are safe- close schools
    The virus loves alcohol- leave off licences open as alcohol is essential
    Wash hands- little evidence of fomite transmission
    We will protect the most vulnerable- let the virus run rampant through nursing homes
    People are making a great effort- disgraceful scenes outside that pub
    Masks are not effective- masks are effective


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    I agree, and Irish people should be stopped from travelling too, but that cannot and will not happen. If they did do that posters would be here crying about how your rights have been taken away from you by the elites who faked a pandemic blah blah blah

    Irish people have been stopped from travelling and given fines for being outside their 5km whilst going to the Airport whilst foreigners can waltz in here no problem.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    PintOfView wrote: »
    Why are you saying all flight from outside the EU should be banned?
    Is it because of people bringing (new strains of) covid into Ireland?

    Have you changed your mind about it being just a flu?
    Do you now see that covid is killing a lot more people than the flu, both in Ireland and around the world?

    No it's just shear hypocrisy. You can't go more than 5km from your home but foreigners from all corners of the earth and come in here freely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,223 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    GT89 wrote: »
    Almost everything the government has said about covid has been hypocrisy.
    Are you going to answer the questions put to you or not?

    Moaning about hypocrisy while being a massive hypocrite who's afraid of addressing points is a bit ridiculous.

    If you're not, just say so. Be honest for a change. Be open about the fact that you're dodging and avoiding. You clearly don't think it's a bad thing to do, so why act ashamed of it?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    GT89 wrote: »
    Almost everything the government has said about covid has been hypocrisy.

    Tell people they can't go more than 5km for exercise- Leave the airports open to all except the Irish
    Outdoors is better than indoors- close the golf courses and leave off licences open
    Schools are safe- close schools
    The virus loves alcohol- leave off licences open as alcohol is essential
    Wash hands- little evidence of fomite transmission
    We will protect the most vulnerable- let the virus run rampant through nursing homes
    People are making a great effort- disgraceful scenes outside that pub
    Masks are not effective- masks are effective

    None of which are evidence of a conspiracy to fool us into following unnecessary restrictions. Why are governments coming up with these restrictions? What is to gain for them restricting their populations economic activity?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,704 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    GT89 wrote: »
    Almost everything the government has said about covid has been hypocrisy.

    Tell people they can't go more than 5km for exercise- Leave the airports open to all except the Irish
    Outdoors is better than indoors- close the golf courses and leave off licences open
    Schools are safe- close schools
    The virus loves alcohol- leave off licences open as alcohol is essential
    Wash hands- little evidence of fomite transmission
    We will protect the most vulnerable- let the virus run rampant through nursing homes
    People are making a great effort- disgraceful scenes outside that pub
    Masks are not effective- masks are effective

    The above is nonsensical and much of it has been addressed as to why in this thread.

    You keep creating a narrative whereby the virus is "relatively harmless", whilst at the same time running a narrative whereby it's "harmful", then constantly hopping between the two to create absurd contrarian points

    Which is it?

    And what is the conspiracy here and which measures will be permanent and why? (the most dodged and evaded questions, despite it being the topic and subject)


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,223 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    And what is the conspiracy here and which measures will be permanent and why? (the most dodged and evaded questions, despite it being the topic and subject)
    What's the bets we'll get to page 200 before we get a sane answer to this question.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,348 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    King Mob wrote: »
    What's the bets we'll get to page 200 before we get a sane answer to this question.

    I applaud your optimism sir, I really do!


  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 5,374 Mod ✭✭✭✭aido79


    GT89 wrote: »
    Almost everything the government has said about covid has been hypocrisy.

    Tell people they can't go more than 5km for exercise- Leave the airports open to all except the Irish
    Outdoors is better than indoors- close the golf courses and leave off licences open
    Schools are safe- close schools
    The virus loves alcohol- leave off licences open as alcohol is essential
    Wash hands- little evidence of fomite transmission
    We will protect the most vulnerable- let the virus run rampant through nursing homes
    People are making a great effort- disgraceful scenes outside that pub
    Masks are not effective- masks are effective

    This post like almost all of your other posts belong in the covid threads.
    I'm not even sure if you know exactly what a conspiracy theory is anymore or you just want to have the opposite opinion to the government and mainstream media just for the sake of it and to get attention.
    It's time to either read the thread title and post and discuss content relevant to that or just stop wasting everyone's time going around in circles talking nonsense and post in non conspiracy theory related threads.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The above is nonsensical and much of it has been addressed as to why in this thread.

    You keep creating a narrative whereby the virus is "relatively harmless", whilst at the same time running a narrative whereby it's "harmful", then constantly hopping between the two to create absurd contrarian points

    Which is it?

    And what is the conspiracy here and which measures will be permanent and why? (the most dodged and evaded questions, despite it being the topic and subject)

    I believe the virus is relatively harmless to healthy people. It is possibly an issue for the vulnerable/immunocompromised but for healthy people it is a relatively mild dose I know nobody whose gotten seriously ill with covid know people who've had a positive pcr test and said it was no worse than a bad cold.

    I am against restricting the freedoms of healthy people over a virus that is relatively harmless to them. Sure thing protect the vulnerable in hospitals and nursing but restricting the freedoms of healthy people is just ridiculous.

    I don't know if the restrictions will be permanent or not but it does seem to be going on an awfully long time one year for what was originally two weeks to flatten the curve.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    aido79 wrote: »
    This post like almost all of your other posts belong in the covid threads.
    I'm not even sure if you know exactly what a conspiracy theory is anymore or you just want to have the opposite opinion to the government and mainstream media just for the sake of it and to get attention.
    It's time to either read the thread title and post and discuss content relevant to that or just stop wasting everyone's time going around in circles talking nonsense and post in non conspiracy theory related threads.

    Thing is when I post on other threads I'm told to post in the ct forum


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