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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭rx8


    They were a 2stroke engine I believe. Designed for long distance non stop type driving but yet fitted them to city buses....
    Remember as a kid been in them, the noise and smell you would never forget.

    Yeah, the KD had a 2-stroke engine, but the single deck KC had a 4-stroke engine and was way more powerful and faster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we are going back to Killiney in 1983. C 74 is seen at the 59 terminus on Killiney Hill. This route number first appeared in 1937 with an independent company originating the route before that. Although it originally ran to the city centre, it was cut back to Dun Laoghaire in 1942 due to wartime restrictions, and thus it has remained ever since. With the coming of the DART in 1984, it was turned into a DART Feeder service but that only lasted until 1989 when due to low demand it returned to being a regular bus route. For a while the 59 was extended to Mackintosh Park but in 2016 it was cut back to Killiney. In October 2018 the route transferred to Go-Ahead Ireland along with a number of other local Dun Laoghaire routes.
    C 74 was delivered new to CIE in 1965. It left Donnybrook in 1984 and transferred to Stranorlar in 1984 and was withdrawn in 1985.
    04/06/1983

    49970922191_7f5eef7cfb_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (230) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Csalem wrote: »
    This week we are going back to Killiney in 1983. C 74 is seen at the 59 terminus on Killiney Hill. This route number first appeared in 1937 with an independent company originating the route before that. Although it originally ran to the city centre, it was cut back to Dun Laoghaire in 1942 due to wartime restrictions, and thus it has remained ever since. With the coming of the DART in 1984, it was turned into a DART Feeder service but that only lasted until 1989 when due to low demand it returned to being a regular bus route. For a while the 59 was extended to Mackintosh Park but in 2016 it was cut back to Killiney. In October 2018 the route transferred to Go-Ahead Ireland along with a number of other local Dun Laoghaire routes.
    C 74 was delivered new to CIE in 1965. It left Donnybrook in 1984 and transferred to Stranorlar in 1984 and was withdrawn in 1985.
    04/06/1983

    49970922191_7f5eef7cfb_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (230) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr

    AFAIR,C's 73 and 74 were in Brown and Cream livery and had the Coach Style seating for some of their service in Donnybrook....:)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    It is 1991 and RH 18 (not RH 17) is on its way to Templeogue with a service on route 15. Both the bus and the route were relatively new, having started in 1990. The 15 connected the city centre with Templeogue, and had its terminus on Scholarstown Road. The route today in 2020 runs cross-city from Clongriffin to Ballycullen Road, and was one of the first routes to go to 24-hour operation in 2019 (along with the 41).
    RH 18 was delivered new to Dublin Bus in August 1990 and spent all its career based in Ringsend Garage. It arrived in the base-colours for the all-over ad, with the writing applied in the garage. It was the first Leyland Olympian in Dublin to receive an all-over ad. The bus was withdrawn in 2002 but its career did not end there as it went on to work in the Isle of Man and Scunthorpe. It was still going school work there until 2018 approximately.
    Fast Fit have been around in Ireland for approximately 40 years but are now part of the Bridgestone Tyres group. College Street, 11/06/1991

    49995789342_83bd65d4b5_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (231) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Csalem wrote: »
    It is 1991 and RH 18 (not RH 17) is on its way to Templeogue with a service on route 15. Both the bus and the route were relatively new, having started in 1990. The 15 connected the city centre with Templeogue, and had its terminus on Scholarstown Road.

    Have you some info on the history of the 15/A/B routes per chance?

    Smart photo BTW :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Have you some info on the history of the 15/A/B routes per chance?

    Smart photo BTW :)

    Bus route 15 started in 1948 and lasted until 1964 running from City Centre to Terenure. Its last terminus was Hazelbrook Road. It returned in 1990 as a low frequency service between City Centre and Scholarstown Road, and grew since then.

    Bus route 15A started in 1949 between City Centre and Whitehall Road in Terenure. In 1970s was extended to Greenhills and remained there ever since. It covered the bit to Hazelbrook Road when the 15 ceased and did so up to the end of the 1980s.

    Bus route 15B started in 1952 between City Centre and Templeogue. The longest terminus was Anne Devlin Park and remained so until the early 2000s when it went to Whitechurch. Then Network Direct sent it to Stocking Lane in 2011.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Csalem wrote: »
    Bus route 15 started in 1948 and lasted until 1964 running from City Centre to Terenure. Its last terminus was Hazelbrook Road. It returned in 1990 as a low frequency service between City Centre and Scholarstown Road, and grew since then.

    Bus route 15A started in 1949 between City Centre and Whitehall Road in Terenure. In 1970s was extended to Greenhills and remained there ever since. It covered the bit to Hazelbrook Road when the 15 ceased and did so up to the end of the 1980s.

    Bus route 15B started in 1952 between City Centre and Templeogue. The longest terminus was Anne Devlin Park and remained so until the early 2000s when it went to Whitechurch. Then Network Direct sent it to Stocking Lane in 2011.

    Was having an auld perusal of "The Book" on that page earlier funny enough:

    516314.jpg

    Again thanks for the heads up on its existence.

    What does the frequency relate to under the A and B?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem



    What does the frequency relate to under the A and B?

    Approx number of return trips:
    Mon-Fri / Sat / Sun

    With 24 hours in a day, which is 1440 minutes if my maths right, the 15A was about every 10 minutes from Dublin (1440 divided by 139). Of course that assumes 24 hour operation which it wasn't so was probably closer to every 7 or 8 minutes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Csalem wrote: »
    Approx number of return trips:
    Mon-Fri / Sat / Sun

    With 24 hours in a day, which is 1440 minutes if my maths right, the 15A was about every 10 minutes from Dublin (1440 divided by 139). Of course that assumes 24 hour operation which it wasn't so was probably closer to every 7 or 8 minutes.

    That's what I'd guessed but rifled through the book and couldn't find it.

    Cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we are going back to 1988 and a slightly unusual bus in the Dublin Bus fleet. KR 11 is seen in the Phoenix Park at the Dublin Bus Rally. The KR class were not usually associated with bus routes in Dublin, the R in KR standing for "rural". Indeed, this bus was delivered new to Limerick in 1985. However, in early 1988 it transferred up to Dublin as part of the batch KR 9 -14. This was as part of the plan to improve the bus service in North Wicklow with some more suitable buses, unlike the similar KC class. Dublin Bus made some changes to the KRs they received, such as replacing the key ignition with a push button, and putting in larger destination displays. However, due to the union objections the buses never entered service on the routes planned for them. In fact, they saw limited public use in general in the capital, and were occasionally loaned back to Bus Eireann when they were short on buses. By the end of 1988 the buses were back in Limerick and repainted back into Bus Eireann. KR 11 saw out its days in Cork as a school bus and was in a scrapyard by 2006.
    The bus is dressed for one of the north Wicklow routes, the 85. Back in 1988 it ran from Bray to Enniskerry (Shop River or Golden Gates) and Bray to Ballywaltrim. By the mid 1990s it had been replaced by Localink 185, which in 2018 passed to Go-Ahead Ireland operations.
    Bus rallies have continued on and off over the intervening years. The most recent one was in Dun Laoghaire in 2017.
    16/06/1988

    50019415513_b25b37e131_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (232) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


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  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭testarossa40


    Csalem wrote: »
    This week we are going back to 1988 and a slightly unusual bus in the Dublin Bus fleet. KR 11 is seen in the Phoenix Park at the Dublin Bus Rally. The KR class were not usually associated with bus routes in Dublin, the R in KR standing for "rural". Indeed, this bus was delivered new to Limerick in 1985. However, in early 1988 it transferred up to Dublin as part of the batch KR 9 -14. This was as part of the plan to improve the bus service in North Wicklow with some more suitable buses, unlike the similar KC class. Dublin Bus made some changes to the KRs they received, such as replacing the key ignition with a push button, and putting in larger destination displays. However, due to the union objections the buses never entered service on the routes planned for them. In fact, they saw limited public use in general in the capital, and were occasionally loaned back to Bus Eireann when they were short on buses. By the end of 1988 the buses were back in Limerick and repainted back into Bus Eireann. KR 11 saw out its days in Cork as a school bus and was in a scrapyard by 2006.
    The bus is dressed for one of the north Wicklow routes, the 85. Back in 1988 it ran from Bray to Enniskerry (Shop River or Golden Gates) and Bray to Ballywaltrim. By the mid 1990s it had been replaced by Localink 185, which in 2018 passed to Go-Ahead Ireland operations.
    Bus rallies have continued on and off over the intervening years. The most recent one was in Dun Laoghaire in 2017.
    16/06/1988

    Throwback Thursday (232) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


    Does anybody know the reasons the unions objected to KRs being operated by DB?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week are going back to 1988 and to KD 85 at Donabate railway station. It is displaying route 33B although it may be on the 33C, although both routes were very closely related. The 33B connected the city centre with Portrane via Swords and Donabate. Overtime the city centre connection was reduced, with only two services from Dublin and four services to Dublin in 1988. Most departures went to / from Swords. By the early 2000s the route was solely confined to Swords to Portrane via Donabate. In 2018 the route transferred to Go-Ahead Ireland.
    Route 33C ran between Donabate Station to Portrane Hospital. It was removed from the network at the same time as the 33B was cut back to Swords. The 33B was also diverted to serve Portrane Hospital.
    KD 85 was delivered new to Dublin in 1982. It was destroyed in a fire by vandals at Skerries station in 1989. 25/06/1988

    50044452072_a3e0ac7a10_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (233) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Does anybody know the reasons the unions objected to KRs being operated by DB?

    From memory,it was'nt Union issues at all,but rather an internal turf-war between Bus Atha Cliath and Bus Eireann which went all the way to CEO level.

    The essence was Dublin Bus's plans to significantly expand services in the East Wicklow area using Bray Town as it's hub.( some rumours at the time even mentioned Wicklow Town as a terminus :eek: !!!)

    Unsurprisingly Bus Eireann were less than supportive of this and made it known.

    No agreement could be reached between the sister companies,and afaik,it was eventually decided upon by the full CIE Board,that the status-quo should continue to apply.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭testarossa40


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    From memory,it was'nt Union issues at all,but rather an internal turf-war between Bus Atha Cliath and Bus Eireann which went all the way to CEO level.

    The essence was Dublin Bus's plans to significantly expand services in the East Wicklow area using Bray Town as it's hub.( some rumours at the time even mentioned Wicklow Town as a terminus :eek: !!!)

    Unsurprisingly Bus Eireann were less than supportive of this and made it known.

    No agreement could be reached between the sister companies,and afaik,it was eventually decided upon by the full CIE Board,that the status-quo should continue to apply.
    Thanks Alek! Couldn't think how unions could have scope over fleet types in this instance - myth busted!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭tnegun


    It might be complete bs but at the time were double decker drivers paid more than the guys on single deckers? Ive a vague recollection of that being a sticking point too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    tnegun wrote: »
    It might be complete bs but at the time were double decker drivers paid more than the guys on single deckers? Ive a vague recollection of that being a sticking point too.

    The Imp drivers were paid less for a period of time in the 90s I believe. Fairly sure the drivers of regular size single deckers like the KCs were paid the same.

    I find it funny that the NTA are bringing back ideas now that were phased out years ago like having single decker buses on certain routes and a common livery across the country. In some ways the TFI brand is like the CIE brand of the past as it can be seen across buses and trains.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    33⅓ less to be exact


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭LastStop


    33⅓ less to be exact

    And those staff were referred to as yellow pack drivers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    A trip this week to Dublin Airport in 1994 and AD 35 on the Airlink. AD 35 was the first of 6 ADs specially delivered to Dublin Bus in April 1994 as part of the relaunch of the Airport coach service. It was that May that the Airlink brand was launched, along with this new yellow / green / grey livery. With the new Airlink brand the number of services to Heuston Station was also increased, though most still terminated at Bus Aras. By 2020 the main Airlink route (the 747) runs all services from Heuston Station to Dublin Airport via Bus Aras.
    In total Dublin Bus received 70 members of the AD class between 1994 and 1995. Most were used on CitySwift routes across routes, with AD 35-40 and 69/70 dedicated to the Airlink routes. They lasted on those routes until around 2000 when they were started to be phased out first by RV double-deckers in 1999 and then AV double-deckers in 2000. The bus ended its days on school duties with Bus Eireann in the Wexford area.
    This location in Dublin Airport was subsequently used by Aircoach and, from March 2020, Dublin Express.
    02/07/1994

    50069375472_68d5685db7_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (234) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Csalem wrote: »
    A trip this week to Dublin Airport in 1994 and AD 35 on the Airlink. AD 35 was the first of 6 ADs specially delivered to Dublin Bus in April 1994 as part of the relaunch of the Airport coach service. It was that May that the Airlink brand was launched, along with this new yellow / green / grey livery. With the new Airlink brand the number of services to Heuston Station was also increased, though most still terminated at Bus Aras. By 2020 the main Airlink route (the 747) runs all services from Heuston Station to Dublin Airport via Bus Aras.
    In total Dublin Bus received 70 members of the AD class between 1994 and 1995. Most were used on CitySwift routes across routes, with AD 35-40 and 69/70 dedicated to the Airlink routes. They lasted on those routes until around 2000 when they were started to be phased out first by RV double-deckers in 1999 and then AV double-deckers in 2000. The bus ended its days on school duties with Bus Eireann in the Wexford area.
    This location in Dublin Airport was subsequently used by Aircoach and, from March 2020, Dublin Express.
    02/07/1994

    50069375472_68d5685db7_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (234) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr

    Remember seeing most of these laying up for years in broadstone.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Also, some drivers currently earn considerably less than others (and don't get additional benefits like free travel) for doing the same job on behalf of the NTA. That's another thing they've brought back.

    Good point. Also it could be somewhat argued back then as driving minbuses is arguably less skilled than full size double and single deckers but DB and GAI drivers do basically the exact job but for different pay rates.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    It is 2007 and AX 470 is stuck on Grafton Street while operating a service to Whitechurch on route 15C. There have been a number of routes to bear the designation 15C over the decades in Dublin. The longest lived version ran from 1980 to around 1993, and connected the City Centre with Willington. It was not a very frequent route and was replaced in time in Willington by the 54A and the 150. The next version of the 15C was the one seen here in the photo. Running from the City Centre to Whitechurch, it started in 1999, as a replacement to the 47 group of routes, and lasted until 30th September 2007 when it was replaced by the 15B. The final version of the 15C is an "unofficial official" route that has appeared in more recent times. The current route 15 has been a cross city route since 2011, running from Clongriffin to Ballycullen Road. To highlight routes running short to just the City Centre, 15C is often used on the displays.
    AX 470 was delivered new to Dublin Bus in 2006, and based in Ringsend Garage. It was withdrawn from there in 2019 and moved to Paul S. Winson in Loughborough (UK).
    This part of Grafton Street became of the Luas Green Line in 2018, with trams using in both directions, along with some bus routes, but not the 15. During the building of the tramline, the 15 group of routes (along with other routes) were diverted along Camden Street instead of Kildare Street.
    Finally, the Gardai in the picture are trying to figure out what to do with a tourist's rental car which had broken down at this awkward spot, causing the traffic jam AX 470 is leading. 05/09/2007

    50094627362_7b8b1dfd8d_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (235) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    A hop back twenty-five years this week to D 689 in Dublin Airport on the 230 in 1995. Route 230 started in 1991 between Dublin Airport and Malahide, although it was soon extended to Portmarnock. Initially it was operated by mini-buses (some displaced from local services in Tallaght), but KC single-deckers took over within two years. The Airport Express KCs found themselves on this route in 1994 after the AD class arrived to takeover the Airlink. Double-deckers only became common on the route in the late 1990s, and D class VanHools like D 689 were very rare on it. In 2008 the route was absorbed into the 102 and extended to Sutton Station. In 2018 Go-Ahead Ireland took over operation of the route and single-deckers returned, although double-deckers do appear on some of the busier departures.
    D 689 was delivered new to Summerhill Garage in Dublin in 1975. It was withdrawn within a year of this photograph being taken and was sold for scrap in 1999.
    The bus may be gone, the route may be gone, but Heinz ketchup is still going strong.

    50119227653_7fd32b3cf2_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (236) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    July 1994 finds a one month old AD 22 at the terminus of route 3 within the grounds of UCD Belfield. This bus was one of seventy members of the class that were delivered during 1994, though some did not enter service until 1995. Initially it was based in Donnybrook Garage but had moved to Phibsboro Garge by 1996. In 1999 it spent some time in Waterford while Bus Eireann were waiting for other buses to arrive there. It then returned to Donnybrook Garage in Dublin before ending its career as a school bus for Bus Eireann in Cork in the early-2000s. This was a bus that got around.
    The bus was delivered in unbranded CitySwift livery for service in Donnybrook but received all the branding for when it entered service on the 39 in Phibsboro. Donnybrook only had one CitySwift route, the 46a, and it was unsuitable for single-decker buses.
    The route 3 ran from Larkhill to Sandymount, with certain departures extended to / from UCD Belfield. The route was initially operated by Ringsend Garage but transferred to Donnybrook Garage for a while in the 1990s and early-2000s before going back to Ringsend. The route itself passed Ringsend Garage. In 2012 the route was removed from the network during the Network Direct changes with a new route 1 taking over most of the 3 route from Sandymount to Collins Avenue. The section from Sandymount to Belfield fly-over was replaced by the 47.
    This terminus in UCD Belfield now home to some ducks and swans as a lake was built here during the 2010s. 23/07/1994

    50145010752_54e9daae95_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (237) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Did the 3 use a different terminus in Belfield to the 10 back then or was the main terminus in UCD where the lake is now. I know the 11b used to terminate over where the sports centre which is used by the 142 now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    GT89 wrote: »
    Did the 3 use a different terminus in Belfield to the 10 back then or was the main terminus in UCD where the lake is now. I know the 11b used to terminate over where the sports centre which is used by the 142 now.

    Yeah the 3 used the main terminus along with the 10 and 17 which is now the lake. Bus Eireann went from there too. The Xpressos went from there too for a while until their dedicated terminus was built around 2008/09 (I think) which has subsequently become the main terminus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we are going back a decade to July 2010 and RV 582 at the 14 terminus in Dundrum.
    The 14 is a route that can trace its origins back to the tram days when it connected the city centre with Dartry. From the 1950s the bus route operated from Phoenix Park to Churchtown, being extended to Ballinteer in the 1990s. It was further extended to Dundrum in the 2000s, to provide some interchange with the recently opened Luas Green Line (This photograph was taken from the Dundrum tram stop). Under Network Direct in 2011 the 14 was merged with the 14A and 20B to become a cross-city route from Beaumont to Dundrum. In August 2020, the terminus is due to switch to the other side of the road due to the main street becoming one way.
    RV 582 was delivered new to Dublin Bus in 1999 and withdrawn in 2012. It then emigrated to the United Kingdom where most recently it has been doing school bus duties with Fowler's Travel near Peterborough. 29/07/2010

    50170827622_31dec5662a_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (238) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Is the one-way switch for Dundrum in August to be permanent or is it just for the pandemic?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Council says temporary but temporary things do have a habit of becoming permanent:
    https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/news/general-news/dundrum-village-mobility-public-space-enhancement-update


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week's Throwback Thursday might be a bit more Provincial Past, but it is a bus from Dublin Bus. RV 629 is seen on Abbey Street in August 2000. Although registered in 1999, the bus did not enter service until January 2000, and it and RV 628 went on loan to Bus Eireann for most of 2000. Bus Eireann wanted to trial double-deckers on commuter routes around Dublin and the buses operated mainly on the 103 to Ashbourne and Ratoath, but RV 628 spent some time based in Drogheda and was used on local services there to Laytown. The trial was a success and in 2001 Bus Eireann ordered 6 Volvos with East Lancs Vyking bodywork. Later these buses (DD 11-16) were joined by 17 more DDs and over a hundred Wright Geminis and used not only in Dublin, but also Cork, Limerick, Galway, Drogheda, Dundalk and Waterford.
    RV 629 returned to Dublin Bus and operated on some of the City Swift routes. It was one of the last Olympians to be withdrawn, surviving until October 2012, when it was sold on to a different operator.
    Cafe Kylemore used to be one of the main coffee shops, / restaurants / bakeries in Ireland, competing with Bewleys, but is now a shadow of its former self. 05/08/2000

    50195852921_a5415f545f_c.jpgThrowback Thursday (239) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


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