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SomeSayKos wrote: »I feel this way about most GTA characters. I like the games, a lot in some cases, but the writing is pretty cringe around 80% of the time.
Rockstar's writing mostly poor. I don't know why it gets praise when everything they do is ripped off from the genre of films they are trying to take off. It's pretty much Duke Nukem levels of writing.
I much prefer when Dan Houser and his team aren't working on their games because their best stuff are when he isn't writing. Red Dead Redemption is as quite unoriginal but the writing is infinitely better than RDR2's circle jerk rip off of every set piece in every genre subverting western. It's basically, I've seen these movies already.
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Is good writing even possible in an open-world game? Or rather: is consistent writing even possible? The nature of open-world games - especially ones that encourage the gamer to be as anarchic and chaotic as they like - kinda makes it hard to pin down a tonally consistent lead character(s) IMO. I suppose if the dev team were masochistic they could try and amend a character's personality to match the gamer's actions - but yikes, good luck there. Even something like BotW, with its mute, blank template lead of Link, wobbles in its storytelling given the giant omni-threat of Ganon is offset by Link goofing about with the world physics for 20 hours
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Is good writing even possible in an open-world game? Or rather: is consistent writing even possible? The nature of open-world games - especially ones that encourage the gamer to be as anarchic and chaotic as they like - kinda makes it hard to pin down a tonally consistent lead character(s) IMO. I suppose if the dev team were masochistic they could try and amend a character's personality to match the gamer's actions - but yikes, good luck there. Even something like BotW, with its mute, blank template lead of Link, wobbles in its storytelling given the giant omni-threat of Ganon is offset by Link goofing about with the world physics for 20 hours
This is something I think about a lot.
As I said just above I'm currently finishing another playthrough of RDR2. If I'm particularly enjoying an open world game I like to behave and make decisions from the perspective of the character rather than me as a player if that makes sense.
I typically walk instead of run, I don't go on rampages, I decide to do side missions depending on if it would make narrative sense to do these activities at specific points in the game.
I get that not everybody likes to play games like this but this is a rhythm i've settled into with these type of games and ultimately I get more out of the narrative as a result. Different stokes for different folks though!
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As an aside I thought it was kinda cool in GTA V with being able to switch between characters that Trevor was clearly written/developed in such a way that he was the character to use for going on rampages!0 -
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Is good writing even possible in an open-world game? Or rather: is consistent writing even possible? The nature of open-world games - especially ones that encourage the gamer to be as anarchic and chaotic as they like - kinda makes it hard to pin down a tonally consistent lead character(s) IMO. I suppose if the dev team were masochistic they could try and amend a character's personality to match the gamer's actions - but yikes, good luck there. Even something like BotW, with its mute, blank template lead of Link, wobbles in its storytelling given the giant omni-threat of Ganon is offset by Link goofing about with the world physics for 20 hours
I think rockstar initially got it right. They didn't pretend the games were anything but Scarface or goodfella's rip offs and did them in the stupidest goofiest way possible to match the tone of the silliness in the open world. Then after hearing the press talk about how amazing their juvenile writing was Dan Houser and the lads got Hideo Kojima level notions that they were incredibly talented writers verging on Murakami-esque and tried to make their subsequent games more serious starting with GTA4 and failing.SomeSayKos wrote: »I know you're not a fan of RDR2 but I'm on the cusp of finishing my 3rd playthrough and although it has its flaws (outdated mission design, controls, convoluted systems) I think it set a bar in the medium in terms of story telling.
I think the real strength of RDR2 is the writing and development of the characters more so than the plot. I found it genuinely moving at times which I was not expecting at all from a Rockstar game!
As I heard on a podcast about western games, it seems good unless you've seen all the movies it directly rips off. It's just the wild bunch with bits and pieces stolen from other westerns.
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Thecageyone wrote: »
Saw that 'What remains of Edith Finch' was free on Game Pass for PC [have continued to sub even though wasn't playing much] and gave it a go. Sat down to play it about 11 last night and was done by 1:30 or thereabouts, but what a great game! ok, maybe great is too strong, but it was a very enjoyable exp while it lasted. For me it was, different, in a good way
I've not played any of these 'walking simulator' titles much before, did try 'The vanishing of Ethan Carter' at one point but only had a crappy laptop that didn't like it very much even on lowest settings. I mostly used to play action/sport/rpg with the odd horror thrown in so it was a refreshing change...
I highly recommend Gone Home if you haven't played it, plays in the same vein of exploring a house to uncover family history with a more urgent matter taking the forefront. One of my favourite games of all time helped by the incredible voice acting, music and writing. I find 'Walking Simulators' to have the greatest gaming experiences.
As for Edith Finch, that scared the **** out of me for a long time when it came to giving my kid a bath
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So my hard drives always have plenty of nerdy racing sims on them but Assetto Corsa hadnt been on there for a couple of years but thats changed with these latest weather and time mods - simply amazing imho - i just had to record a few laps.
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I highly recommend Gone Home if you haven't played it, plays in the same vein of exploring a house to uncover family history with a more urgent matter taking the forefront. One of my favourite games of all time helped by the incredible voice acting, music and writing. I find 'Walking Simulators' to have the greatest gaming experiences.
As for Edith Finch, that scared the **** out of me for a long time when it came to giving my kid a bath
Cheers for the rec, will definitely look into it. Yeah some of the back stories were heart-breaking, hard to mention them without spoiler but for example:Poor Walter, hiding away for 30yr from a 'monster' and it turns out to be a train above that kills him as he emerges, or the kid on the swing ... didn't we all want to do that at some point? go right around - the bath tub one was also very sad, but also weirdly fun before the inevitable, it's that strange of a game
Gone home is €12 atm, wonder if it'll be on sale some time? as it's pretty old now, only got €2 in my steam wallet
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Thecageyone wrote: »Cheers for the rec, will definitely look into it. Yeah some of the back stories were heart-breaking, hard to mention them without spoiler but for example:Poor Walter, hiding away for 30yr from a 'monster' and it turns out to be a train above that kills him as he emerges, or the kid on the swing ... didn't we all want to do that at some point? go right around - the bath tub one was also very sad, but also weirdly fun before the inevitable, it's that strange of a game
Gone home is €12 atm, wonder if it'll be on sale some time? as it's pretty old now, only got €2 in my steam wallet might still go for it next week maybe, how long is it?
It's about 2 hours. I remember wanting to get it before but thought ah 2 hours, not worth the price and it went free on ps plus. Kicked myself for not giving the devs money. I've played through it a few times just to relive the story and think about it now and then, especially comparing to other games. I saw a lot of negativity towards it which looked like because people were expecting a horror game and disappointed.0 -
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