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Dublin ranks 3rd in terms of the amount of time spent in cars due to congestion

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  • #452
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Nice try, troll.

    I'm not. Is nobody allowed to differ from your thinking?


  • #453
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Who do you share a bike, motorbike, or scooter with? Most people are well enough in the head to be able to share space with others too.

    Now you're just getting insulting after the troll remark. Very "well in the head" indeed.


  • #454
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    I'm not. Is nobody allowed to differ from your thinking?

    Your post is so absolutely absurd I think you must be trolling. Do you think every person should be driving private cars to work?


  • #455
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Your post is so absolutely absurd I think you must be trolling. Do you think every person should be driving private cars to work?

    If you think it's trolling then report it rather than trying to score some boards big boy points.

    I'm not trolling at all anyway. People seem to automatically be programmed to think it's awful, but what exactly is all that bad about being in your car? Dry, warm (or cool if you prefer), your own music/radio/books/etc, no stenches off people, comfortable seat, etc.


  • #456
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    If you think it's trolling then report it rather than trying to score some boards big boy points.

    I'm not trolling at all anyway. People seem to automatically be programmed to think it's awful, but what exactly is all that bad about being in your car? Dry, warm (or cool if you prefer), your own music/radio/books/etc, no stenches off people, comfortable seat, etc.

    So you think that it would be ok for everyone to drive into work in the city centre of Dublin because they like all these things?
    If you're reading books while driving you should have your licence taken from you.


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  • #457
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    So you think that it would be ok for everyone to drive into work in the city centre of Dublin because they like all these things?
    If you're reading books while driving you should have your licence taken from you.

    I would have thought when it was with music and radio that it would be obvious it was audiobooks. Apologies.


  • #458
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    I would have thought when it was with music and radio that it would be obvious it was audiobooks. Apologies.

    But don't you realise if we don't move away from private car use and change to other forms of transport the city will become an even worse horrible dirty clogged up mess? I know you don't mind sitting there for hours, but surely you can see that's not how a well run city should be?


  • #459
    sharper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭sharper


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    I'd rather do 90 minutes in mine than 20 on a bus.

    Totally fine if that's your preference. The only real issues are

    1. Making sure that there's enough capacity and coverage in public transport that everyone else can make that choice too.

    2. Where space is limited assign priority to the highest capacity which is generally going to be small vehicles and public transport, not private cars.

    Elsewhere people insist their private journey shouldn't be inconvenienced by modes of transport that carry many multiples more than theirs.


  • #460
    magicbastarder
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/electric-scooter-regulations-ireland-4646594-May2019

    I f**king want to emigrate from this place at this stage. Dublin is ruined by private cars, and now they want to make it worse. Don't read the comments on that article if you have issues with blood pressure.
    not sure if you're referring to the headline, which is badly written as far as i can see?


  • #461
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    I'd rather do 90 minutes in mine than 20 on a bus.
    Do you really not have anything better to do with 70 minutes in your day?


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  • #462
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    AndrewJRenko wrote:
    Do you really not have anything better to do with 70 minutes in your day?

    Better than sitting on a bus with every second person hacking and coughing.


  • #463
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Better than sitting on a bus with every second person hacking and coughing.

    Have you been on buses during the holocaust or something?


  • #464
    Stephen15
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    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Spending time in your car isn't a bad thing, definitely not in the way society seems to have programmed people to think it is. What exactly is wrong with heat, privacy, and none of the downsides that come with sharing space? It's not as if the seat is made of blocks either, cars are very comfortable nowadays. I'd rather do 90 minutes in mine than 20 on a bus.

    You're making irrational arguement. Maybe not yourself but the vast majority of people will choose the option which is quickest and most convenient for them. I will generally pick the most practical mode of transport when making a journey whether that be walking, cycling, taking a bus, tram, train, taxi, boat or plane or even indeed driving.

    To put it into perspective would you drive for 24 hours to Spain rather than take a 3 hour flight you have privacy in my car but not on a plane? Same argument with a bus vs car if the bus is significantly quicker.


  • #465
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,719 ✭✭✭SeanW


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So it's taken me a while to find myself in College Green on an evening during rush hour where I wasn't pushed for time. I tracked a 25x from stop 345 (not actually a 25x stop, but a handy place to stop on the bike and not hold others up) on Pearse St to the corner of Westmorland St and Aston Quay.



    Your worst case scenario of 30 minutes was fairly accurate - I made it 29 minutes. Here's a timelapse x 8 video showing him from Pearse St up to where he broke the red lights to come onto College Green. I caught up later on Westmorland St. It is indeed a complete sh1tshow on the stretch outside Pearse St garda station.


    https://streamable.com/4x5kx

    Lessons learnt:


    Taxi's are a huge, huge problem. The sheer quantity of them along that stretch is a major barrier to buses.



    Dublin Bus vehicles waiting at the kerb for their time to move off are a problem, reducing the space available for all others. Surely there could be a better scheduling option to allow them to wait further back and only move up into location when they're actually ready to move onto the route.


    The yellow box at College St/D'Olier St/Pearse St junction is a bit of a bad joke with taxis and buses blocking taxis and buses from moving.



    The second row of Garda vehicles parked at the garda station certainly don't help matters.
    Thanks for that! The Trinity City Hotel ... brings back memories of as week of a long as Hell commute :o

    From what I remember and saw, the problem is with D'Olier/Westmoreland/College Green itself. You basically have half the buses in the city trying to get from the Garda station to Westmoreland St. and the other half trying to get from D'Olier St. towards CG and Grafton St. And there's a short stretch where the two paths conflict with each other. And of course the Luas takes up half the street space and its movements conflict with absolutely everything else. So all the buses have to queue back from that point.

    Banning taxis might help, as might limitations on motor traffic in the general area. Where I differ from some other views expressed here over time is that to my mind, that would only help so much.

    As far as I can see, Dublin is still using buses and trams where it should be using trams and metros given the enormous number of people now working and commuting in the city. Things like the Metro Link, in whatever form, are needed ASAP (In addition to about 100,000 apartments and houses).


  • #466
    The Enbalmer
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    SeanW wrote:
    From what I remember and saw, the problem is with D'Olier/Westmoreland/College Green itself. You basically have half the buses in the city trying to get from the Garda station to Westmoreland St. and the other half trying to get from D'Olier St. towards CG and Grafton St. And there's a short stretch where the two paths conflict with each other. And of course the Luas takes up half the street space and its movements conflict with absolutely everything else. So all the buses have to queue back from that point.

    Seems to me buses are the problem..


  • #467
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Better than sitting on a bus with every second person hacking and coughing.

    Do you ever travel by plane? Or sit in a meeting room with other people? Or go out to a pub or restaurant?

    Or do you live in an oxygen tent?


  • #468
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Seems to me buses are the problem..

    So do you reckon that replacing each bus with 30-70 private cars, each with 3 or 4 empty seats, would improve traffic flow and space utilisation?


  • #469
    magicbastarder
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    i must be weird. i'd prefer sitting on a bus for 60 minutes than in a car for 60 minutes. at least you can read on a bus.


  • #470
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i must be weird. i'd prefer sitting on a bus for 60 minutes than in a car for 60 minutes. at least you can read on a bus.

    At least you can look at your phone in the car though


  • #471
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So do you reckon that replacing each bus with 30-70 private cars, each with 3 or 4 empty seats, would improve traffic flow and space utilisation?




    Do private cars have to stop every few yards to let dodderly pensioners on and off?



    No of course they don't ergo they can travel quicker and are less likely to be holding up other traffic.


    A lot of bus drivers are bottom of the barrel drivers anyway,being more used to rush hour in lagos it would seem.


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  • #472
    magicbastarder
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    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Do private carshave to stop every few years to let dodderly pensioners on and off?
    i'm pretty sure they would have to stop more often than every few years. there would be serious health and safety issues otherwise.


  • #473
    The Enbalmer
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i'm pretty sure they would have to stop more often than every few years. there would be serious health and safety issues otherwise.


    Well spotted Sir! Mea Culpa.


  • #474
    magicbastarder
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    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    No of course they don't ergo they can travel quicker and are less likely to be holding up other traffic.
    'can' being the operative word here.
    'less likely to hold up other traffic'? it's private cars which create traffic jams. a half full bus takes up 10-15m of road. the same number of people being transported in cars takes up about 200m. and that's with a generous average of two people per car.


  • #475
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Do private cars have to stop every few yards to let dodderly pensioners on and off?



    No of course they don't ergo they can travel quicker and are less likely to be holding up other traffic

    On my route to work every morning they sit in a long line of cars moving a few meters now and again. Buses go past them in the bus lanes.
    I really think you must be a wind up, or you live in some small village somewhere and can't relate to Dublin's traffic problems.


  • #476
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Do private cars have to stop every few yards to let dodderly pensioners on and off?



    No of course they don't ergo they can travel quicker and are less likely to be holding up other traffic.


    A lot of bus drivers are bottom of the barrel drivers anyway,being more used to rush hour in lagos it would seem.

    Always nice to squeeze in a tinge of racism in a posting.

    Private cars really don't travel faster, but even if they did, do you think they would continue to travel faster if each bus was replaced with an additional 30 - 80 private cars. Just have a think about the space requirements involved...


  • #477
    Stephen15
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    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    A lot of bus drivers are bottom of the barrel drivers anyway,being more used to rush hour in lagos it would seem.

    Thought you were talking about taxi drivers there


  • #478
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Always nice to squeeze in a tinge of racism in a posting.




    Always nice to see the word racism bandied around by somebody with nothing better to do.


  • #479
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Thought you were talking about taxi drivers there




    Watch out the Social Justice Warriors will be along to call you a racist shortly!


    According to them drivers from africa are every bit as good as Irish drivers (a link maybe from a lefty site to back it up).


  • #480
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,289 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Always nice to see the word racism bandied around by somebody with nothing better to do.

    There's no bandying. It is a racist comment.

    But here's the question that you missed.


    Private cars really don't travel faster, but even if they did, do you think they would continue to travel faster if each bus was replaced with an additional 30 - 80 private cars. Just have a think about the space requirements involved...


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  • #481
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    There's no bandying. It is a racist comment.




    Everything is a racist comment with you people :rolleyes:


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