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Farmers should be forced to cut their emissions

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  • #152
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    crap.farmer and proud to be

    ?


  • #153
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Carrots, spinach, potatoes, kale, turnips, cauliflower, brocolli, peas all grown well in Ireland and super healthy. An abundance of fish around us and great bread made here too.

    We are absolutely spoiled and can easily be sustainable and environmentally friendly if we all focused our diets on these foods for a few days in a week. It would be incredibly healthy too. As well, we would be supporting Irish agriculture more.
    Off you go then , you don't have to just support irish agriculture, you can be irish agriculture,!!
    Land is available to rent or buy.. All you need is land, staff, equipment, seed, a pack house, refrigeration, working capital (lots of that), and a market... You really need a good market...
    Of course there is a good reason why there are less and less commercial veg growers in the country, its very very risky.
    A lot of growers lost the shirts off their backs..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #154
    [Deleted User]
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    ...
    Of course there is a good reason why there are less and less commercial veg growers in the country, its very very risky.
    A lot of growers lost the shirts off their backs..

    The good reason is subsidies and tariffs for beef and dairy. That's why the Irish farmers are so scared of brexit - they will have to compete in the world market without tariffs like the rest of us.

    Also how do cattle get their feed, how does milk get transported, etc? Big diesel. And without cattle, the grass wouldn't be converted into methane, one of the most potent greenhouse gases.

    I grew up in rural Ireland - the farmers aren't true viable businesses for the most part, just massively supported to produce a very narrow range of products. We should be incentivising crop production and forestry. And wind turbines. Carbon negative farming. Not farting cows.

    Farming is broken in the EU, mainly thanks to the French.


  • #155
    Oasis1974
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Oasis1974


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Carrots, spinach, potatoes, kale, turnips, cauliflower, brocolli, peas all grown well in Ireland and super healthy. An abundance of fish around us and great bread made here too.

    We are absolutely spoiled and can easily be sustainable and environmentally friendly if we all focused our diets on these foods for a few days in a week. It would be incredibly healthy too. As well, we would be supporting Irish agriculture more.

    Abundance of fish where exactly everything has been overfished or coming from a fish farm.


  • #156
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,468 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We should be incentivising crop production and forestry. And wind turbines. Carbon negative farming. Not farting cows.

    Farming is broken in the EU, mainly thanks to the French.


    https://sustainabledish.com/its-not-the-cow-its-the-how-new-study-shows-grass-fed-beef-can-be-a-carbon-sink/


    So beef farming can indeed be environmentally friendly and indeed most of the beef produced in Ireland happend on small scale farms where extensive farming is good for the environment..


    Problem is the "worst case figures" are being shouted about all the time, which isnt the case on the ground..


    Lower stocking densities, breeds that finish with less concentrates, etc can all allow beef farming to be a carbon sink.


    We need NOW to push back on factory farming in Ireland, that where the problem lies, howevver, the people in the system with influence want factory farming as they have better control over it rather than control being with farmers... Its no coincidence that Larry goodman, the worst of the processors is related to Simon Coveney, guess who is being listened to all the time..


    Beef farming done properly is good, we just need to direct supports towards the proper systems and away from the factory farms. Australia are already doing this. Extensive beef is better for the environment, better for the animals as the roam at pasture more and better for the consumer as the beef is a higher grade product.


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  • #157
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The good reason is subsidies and tariffs for beef and dairy. That's why the Irish farmers are so scared of brexit - they will have to compete in the world market without tariffs like the rest of us.

    Also how do cattle get their feed, how does milk get transported, etc? Big diesel. And without cattle, the grass wouldn't be converted into methane, one of the most potent greenhouse gases.

    I grew up in rural Ireland - the farmers aren't true viable businesses for the most part, just massively supported to produce a very narrow range of products. We should be incentivising crop production and forestry. And wind turbines. Carbon negative farming. Not farting cows.

    Farming is broken in the EU, mainly thanks to the French.

    Subsidies do make a difference, not sure about the big diesel comments that sounds like paranoia... (the veg farms - organic and conventional- both used the same diesel as dairy farms, as do fishing boats)
    I'd love to see more veg grown in Ireland... And there still is a lot conventional farmers can do...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #158
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    The largest source of greenhouse gas emissions from human activities in the United States is from burning fossil fuels for electricity, heat, and transportation.

    The burning of fossil fuels should be cut and rationed.

    Rationing of fossil fuels per capita is the only solution right now.


  • #159
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    The largest source of greenhouse gas emissions from human activities in the United States is from burning fossil fuels for electricity, heat, and transportation.The burning of fossil fuels should be cut and rationed. Rationing of fossil fuels per capita is the only solution right now.

    It's the same globally. Transport and fossil fuel use are the two biggest contributers to greenhouse gas emissions.

    Problem is that China is the number one emitter of greenhouse gases - equal to a quarter of all emissions worldwide. Currently they are increasing industrial output, much of which is dependent on burning coal and are forging ahead opening new coal powered electricity generating plants etc. China is not the only country where this is happening btw. We can cut and ration all we like - without global agreement complying countries will effectively face huge economic disadvantages without necessarily seeing global greenhouse gas or environmental improvements. Qui Bono?

    And no I'm not saying this negates anything just that for some reason I don't see this being discussed much at present tbh.


  • #160
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    gozunda wrote: »
    It's the same globally. Transport and fossil fuel use are the two biggest contributers to greenhouse gas emissions.

    Problem is that China is the number one emitter of greenhouse gases00 - equal to a quarter of all emissions worldwide. Currently they are increasing industrial output, much of which is dependent on burning coal and are forging ahead opening new coal powered electricity generating plants etc. China is not the only country where this is happening btw. We can cut and ration all we like - without global agreement complying countries will effectively face huge economic disadvantages without necessarily seeing global greenhouse gas or environmental improvements. Qui Bono?

    And no I'm not saying this negates anything just that for some reason I don't see this being discussed much at present tbh.


    Very True.

    Global rationing etc. With perhaps bonuses for developing countries.

    I suppose global companies and global powers/govts don't want it discussed.


  • #161
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The good reason is subsidies and tariffs for beef and dairy. That's why the Irish farmers are so scared of brexit - they will have to compete in the world market without tariffs like the rest of us.

    Also how do cattle get their feed, how does milk get transported, etc? Big diesel. And without cattle, the grass wouldn't be converted into methane, one of the most potent greenhouse gases.

    I grew up in rural Ireland - the farmers aren't true viable businesses for the most part, just massively supported to produce a very narrow range of products. We should be incentivising crop production and forestry. And wind turbines. Carbon negative farming. Not farting cows.

    Farming is broken in the EU, mainly thanks to the French.

    In Ireland roads are subsidised, employment sectors are subsidised, industry is subsidised etc- whether through direct or indirect many parts of our economy receive subsidies.

    Whatever you think about farming in the EU - Farming in Ireland is restricted by its climate, topography and soil and these factors limit what can be grown or produced commercially. Also all agriculture output movement requires the use of transport and fossil fuel btw - whether that is animal, arable or horticultural produce.

    With regard to crop production and forestry - this is what the experts in the EU are saying.
    The most carbon-rich soils are peatlands, mostly found in northern Europe, the UK and Ireland. Grassland soils also store a lot of carbon per hectare...

    The fastest way to increase organic carbon in farmed soil is to convert arable land to grassland...

    On farmland, ploughing the soil is known to accelerate decomposition and mineralisation of organic matter. In order to keep carbon and nutrients in the soil, researchers suggest reducing tillage

    https://www.eea.europa.eu/signals/signals-2015/articles/soil-and-climate-change

    Solutions are never as easy as they seem ...


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  • #162
    Assetbacked
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    Off you go then , you don't have to just support irish agriculture, you can be irish agriculture,!!
    Land is available to rent or buy.. All you need is land, staff, equipment, seed, a pack house, refrigeration, working capital (lots of that), and a market... You really need a good market...
    Of course there is a good reason why there are less and less commercial veg growers in the country, its very very risky.
    A lot of growers lost the shirts off their backs..

    I don't need to grow anything. My local supermarket has Irish veg, bread and fish. Everything is already in the shops in front of us, we just need to be conscious of what we are buying.


  • #163
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    I don't need to grow anything. My local supermarket has Irish veg, bread and fish. Everything is already in the shops in front of us, we just need to be conscious of what we are buying.

    Ah sure why do we need to do anything so. Things will just magically appear in the shops. Thanks for the obvious - but previously unspotted solution. None of us had thought of that! Absolutely brilliant. Genius level even....


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