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When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

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    #362
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    What are your credentials, btw? I would take responsible my own health rather than trust the sham that is the HSE. Lets not forget the roles of honour of the HSE. Testing on Children in homes, retention of organs, HEP C scandal, Bayer and the HIV blood scandal. Lately its been both the swine and Avian flu vaccines.

    My Father actually got the flu jab and it didnt work. He has a weak man nearly 80. I told him he would be better off with vitamin c pills
    The WHO isn't the HSE... I'm not claiming to have any credentials in the area, I am deferring to research and health bodies across the globe that back up its effectiveness and levels of safety. I am not deferring to anecdotal claims which you are...


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    #363
    skooterblue2
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    batgoat wrote: »
    The WHO isn't the HSE... I'm not claiming to have any credentials in the area, I am deferring to research and health bodies across the globe that back up its effectiveness and levels of safety. I am not deferring to anecdotal claims which you are...

    No I mean what is your background? Have you met any of these girls? Have you heard their stories? Have you heard their symptoms? Have your heard their medical bills? No help from the state. Little Leo doesnt want an investigation. Its been raised in the Seanad and there was a subcomittee meeting on it in the Dail. Its definitely swept under the rug.


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    #364
    Brussels Sprout
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    Well this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would just be reading the title


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    #365
    lbc2019
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    that is still not replacement rate levels

    But people live longer, why 1.8? Will that not lead to over population?


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    #366
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    No I mean what is your background? Have you met any of these girls? Have you heard their stories? Have you heard their symptoms? Have your heard their medical bills? No help from the state. Little Leo doesnt want an investigation. Its been raised in the Seanad and there was a subcomittee meeting on it in the Dail. Its definitely swept under the rug.

    Anecdotal evidence, isn't evidence. Did you link you're published work?


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    #367
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Immune systems aren't always consistent. Some people have immune systems like horses other have pick up every bug and virus. It seems to me its people with dispositions to Autism in the family and deficient immune systems are most vulnerable. I have a buddy who stretched at the start of winter and got the flu jab and then got hit twice with the flu. I wouldnt touch the thing.

    He got the flu twice? The actual flu? NOT a cold? Or Man Flu?


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    lbc2019
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    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    Well this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would just be reading the title

    I just set it up to replenish my list tbf


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    skooterblue2
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    He got the flu twice? The actual flu? NOT a cold? Or Man Flu?

    So he said, I didnt go over and get blood samples from him.


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    #370
    skooterblue2
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Anecdotal evidence, isn't evidence.

    So we are victim blaming?


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    skooterblue2
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    But people live longer, why 1.8? Will that not lead to over population?

    Its not to do with age, its to do with replacement.


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    mrsdewinter
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    What are your credentials, btw? I would take responsible my own health rather than trust the sham that is the HSE. Lets not forget the roles of honour of the HSE. Testing on Children in homes, retention of organs, HEP C scandal, Bayer and the HIV blood scandal. Lately its been both the swine and Avian flu vaccines.

    My Father actually got the flu jab and it didnt work. He has a weak man nearly 80. I told him he would be better off with vitamin c pills

    Testing on children in homes, Hep C scandals pre-date the establishment of the HSE.

    What's the harm in getting the flu jab? If it covers the strains that he encounters, he's protected. Maybe he encountered a strain not covered by the vaccine. Would getting vaccinated have actively harmed him?


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    #373
    Annasopra
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    So we are victim blaming?

    No. We are saying there is no evidence

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #374
    Annasopra
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    mrsdewinter wrote: »
    Testing on children in homes, Hep C scandals pre-date the establishment of the HSE.

    What's the harm in getting the flu jab? If it covers the strains that he encounters, he's protected. Maybe he encountered a strain not covered by the vaccine. Would getting vaccinated have actively harmed him?

    Mumble mumble mercury

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    PhoneMain
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    . I told him he would be better off with vitamin c pills


    Ah here, vitamin c pills have been shown to be no better than placebo! You might as well be taking smarties!


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    PhoneMain
    Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    So he said, I didnt go over and get blood samples from him.

    Actually, testing for the flu isn't done by blood test, it's done by nasal swab.

    You were asking someone else for their credentials. I'm a doctor, on the GP training scheme. What's your credentials?


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    batgoat
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    PhoneMain wrote: »
    Actually, testing for the flu isn't done by blood test, it's done by nasal swab.

    You were asking someone else for their credentials. I'm a doctor, on the GP training scheme. What's your credentials?

    He did a biomed course and is always doing courses... :P He seems to hold doctors in low regard.


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    whippet
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    Apparently primary school kids are going to be thought ‘porn’ as part of the curriculum ... well according to Gemma ...... how does anyone take her seriously ?


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    skooterblue2
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    mrsdewinter wrote: »
    Testing on children in homes, Hep C scandals pre-date the establishment of the HSE.

    What's the harm in getting the flu jab? If it covers the strains that he encounters, he's protected. Maybe he encountered a strain not covered by the vaccine. Would getting vaccinated have actively harmed him?

    Same people in the same jobs, all employees of department of health. I was not so horrified at the Hepatitis C infections as I was at the cover up. Remember Michael Noonan, refused to settle with Bridget McCole on her death bed? "I was doing it under legal advice".


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    #380
    skooterblue2
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Mumble mumble mercury

    You are the first person to mention mercury.


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    #381
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    PhoneMain wrote: »
    Actually, testing for the flu isn't done by blood test, it's done by nasal swab.

    You were asking someone else for their credentials. I'm a doctor, on the GP training scheme. What's your credentials?

    God Bless us. The seven minute marvels. Couldn't tell the difference between a mosquito bite and stage one Sarcoidosis. I look forward to seeing your name in the paper.


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    skooterblue2
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    PhoneMain wrote: »
    Ah here, vitamin c pills have been shown to be no better than placebo! You might as well be taking smarties!

    So was the vaccine apparently, twice!!!


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    ohnonotgmail
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    So was the vaccine apparently, twice!!!


    except you dont actually know that. You dont know if they actually had the flu, and if they did have the flu if that strain was covered by the vaccine. But that is irrelevant to you, you are only interested in anecdotes that support your own prejudice.


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    #384
    PhoneMain
    Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    God Bless us. The seven minute marvels. Couldn't tell the difference between a mosquito bite and stage one Sarcoidosis. I look forward to seeing your name in the paper.

    Wow, classy response. Stick with the computers, you seem to know very little about health......unlike me.


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    skooterblue2
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    except you dont actually know that. You dont know if they actually had the flu, and if they did have the flu if that strain was covered by the vaccine. But that is irrelevant to you, you are only interested in anecdotes that support your own prejudice.

    Well I am taking my friends word for it, he swore by the vaccine. You do know the flu is a virus and it mutates? It is in a constant state of change.


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    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,126 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Well I am taking my friends word for it, he swore by the vaccine. You do know the flu is a virus and it mutates? It is in a constant state of change.


    Your friend is not a doctor and neither are you. For somebody who claims a biomed background your willingness to apply scientific principals is poor.


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    skooterblue2
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Your friend is not a doctor and neither are you. For somebody who claims a biomed background your willingness to apply scientific principals is poor.

    I never claimed to be a doctor, I just said the Gradasil vaccine in its current form is dangerous. Feel free to vaccinate your own kids.


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    ohnonotgmail
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I never claimed to be a doctor, I just said the Gradasil vaccine in its current form is dangerous. Feel free to vaccinate your own kids.


    you also said that the flu vaccine does not work based on a sample size of 2 and incomplete data.


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    PhoneMain
    Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you also said that the flu vaccine does not work based on a sample size of 2 and incomplete data.

    Ah no, he though he was conducting his own cohort study......


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    skooterblue2
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    PhoneMain wrote: »
    Wow, classy response. Stick with the computers, you seem to know very little about health......unlike me.

    I have met ye all before. You cover up for each other and the quality you are being produced at we would be better off with African witch doctors. Would you like me to recall the headlines from the last few years?

    "We were aware when hiring a doctor there were issues with her registration in Germany"
    "Doctor couldnt tell the difference between an xray of an elbow and an xray"
    Doctor Lee down in Ballincollig tried to cover up a terminally ill patients file when it was found out he failed to read a report. The affore mentioned doctor is still practicing.
    I have see 6 doctors fail to spot Mystenia Gravis and then all supported each other.
    Dr Michael Neary....... needs no more comment. The three doctors who vindicated him.

    Them witch doctors are starting to looking surprisingly competent with their feathers and bones.


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    PhoneMain
    Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I have met ye all before. You cover up for each other and the quality you are being produced at we would be better off with African witch doctors. Would you like me to recall the headlines from the last few years?

    "We were aware when hiring a doctor there were issues with her registration in Germany"
    "Doctor couldnt tell the difference between an xray of an elbow and an xray"
    Doctor Lee down in Ballincollig tried to cover up a terminally ill patients file when it was found out he failed to read a report. The affore mentioned doctor is still practicing.
    I have see 6 doctors fail to spot Mystenia Gravis and then all supported each other.
    Dr Michael Neary....... needs no more comment. The three doctors who vindicated him.

    Them witch doctors are starting to looking surprisingly competent with their feathers and bones.

    Ah here.

    I'm Irish trained, have worked in Ireland all my life. Some of my colleagues have emigrated to other countries and are doing well, by all accounts they're well regarded. Irish doctors have no problems getting work anywhere else in the world, if we were so terrible then we wouldn't be getting into places like America, England, Australia, New Zealand, UAE, Canada etc.

    There's bad eggs in all practices, I don't see how I am in anyway comparable to Michael Neary.

    The first 2 cases you mentioned above involve doctors who weren't trained here. But I've also worked with plenty of non Irish doctors who were fantastic clinicians who worked really hard for their patients.

    I can't nor won't defend that GP altering the report.

    I'm not going to comment on the MG case you mention above, I know nothing about the case (nor do I want to know, boards is not an appropriate setting for discussing an individuals diagnosis).

    There's no grand conspiracy to cover up the mistakes of fellow doctors. We continually audit each other where we make sure we are following relevant clinical guidelines. If there's mistakes made in patient care, it's presented back to each other and changes made to clinical practice or reforms put in place. In the surgical field, there's monthly morbidity and mortality meetings in hospitals where we discuss cases where things went wrong, the circumstances leading to that and what we can do to make things better. They can occasionally get very heated. At the heart of all this is patient welfare. We also are continually undergoing ongoing education including CPD in order to ensure we are up to date with relevant guidelines. Again, all with the patient's best interests at heart.

    You may be shocked to hear this but I got into medicine to actually help people.


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