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  • #1352
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    minerleague wrote: »
    fair enough but why are numbers creeping back up in europe when masks seem to be widely used. I'm not disputing that masks help but i dont think its as strong as some believe. Plenty "experts" say cut out red meat based on research that suits their view and plenty believe them.

    Wearing the mask alone isn't a panacea for this.

    The basic containment policy still needs to be followed, mask, 2m distance as much as possible, avoid crowds as much as possible, avoid crowded spaces as much as possible, avoid public transport as much as possible.

    Basically stay as far away from anybody outside your own immediate family as much as possible for as long as possible.

    I wonder how many of those that contracted the virus were complying with mask protocol, social distancing and hand washing while out and about.


  • #1353
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    The Irish antibody study estimated just under 5% of the population had antibodies.
    Swedish research into t cells showed that for every one person with antibodies there was two with a t cell response.
    So roughly 10% of the population have most likely had an infection and we have 1,700 deaths related to covid. A
    significant amount of those didn't die from covid.
    So more than ever before, I think it was the greatest fcukup of our time reacting in the way we did.

    The chezh republic made masks compulsary on public transport/shops,relatively quickly and have a significantly lower rate of infections than neighbouring countries



    Like it surely stands to basic common sense,something spread by breathing and attacks throats/lungs,surely masks would help.the situation??


  • #1354
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The chezh republic made masks compulsary on public transport/shops,relatively quickly and have a significantly lower rate of infections than neighbouring countries



    Like it surely stands to basic common sense,something spread by breathing and attacks throats/lungs,surely masks would help.the situation??

    If it's so simple, it should be very easy to clearly show a difference but it has been very hard for anything to be proven because it's not simple.


  • #1355
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    If it's so simple, it should be very easy to clearly show a difference but it has been very hard for anything to be proven because it's not simple.

    And chezh republic would surely be a good sample size

    Chezh republic population 10.5M....16K cases and 374 deaths,much less of a lockdown than us,but heavy early usage of facemasks....pretty much decimates our figures

    They lifted their lockdown in mid may,but brought in mandatory facemasks....like your free to infer this to be a non-factor in their figures,but i respectfully disagree



    Here is quite a good article outlining it......its been such a success,they can ease the rules

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5426602002


  • #1356
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,056 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    85 new cases today, not looking likely for the schools to open if this continues


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  • #1357
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Indeed doesn't look good. Even if we can strip out the Direct Provision centre and the factory from the figures it would still be a problem IWT.
    I'd be very cautious of any indoor socialising.


  • #1358
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 5,957 ✭✭✭emaherx


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Even in Asia where mask wearing is very common for a long time. They still suffer from respiratory diseases every year and managed to infect the world with multiple virus strains

    That's hardly a very scientific observation.


    Even people who wear sunscreen can get skin cancer, but that doesn't make sunscreen any less important.


  • #1359
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 5,957 ✭✭✭emaherx


    wrangler wrote: »
    85 new cases today, not looking likely for the schools to open if this continues

    Wonder what the breakdown of cases is though. A large number of recent cases were symptom free and found purely by contact tracing. The number of positive cases will rise before they fall if they are now finding more symptom free cases.


  • #1360
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And chezh republic would surely be a good sample size

    Chezh republic population 10.5M....16K cases and 374 deaths,much less of a lockdown than us,but heavy early usage of facemasks....pretty much decimates our figures

    They lifted their lockdown in mid may,but brought in mandatory facemasks....like your free to infer this to be a non-factor in their figures,but i respectfully disagree



    Here is quite a good article outlining it......its been such a success,they can ease the rules

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5426602002

    How has their testing compared to other countries?
    How has their criteria for recording a death compared to other countries?
    Are their elderly citizens more likely to be at home or in nursing homes compared to other countries?
    Did they prevent unnecessary nursing homes outbreaks by not doing what we and other countries did, moving infected patients from hospitals into nursing homes?
    Did they actively test healthcare staff with no symptoms and force those healthcare workers to self isolate leading to staff shortages?
    Had they issues with migrant workers returning home and abandoning their healthcare positions?

    All of the above are much bigger factors than whether facemasks are worn IMO. Things were unnecessarily worse than they could have been in many western European countries and the official statistics might also further exaggerate that difference if testing and criteria recording deaths differs. Belarus has much better statistics than us for example.
    I'm not aware of any official figures of all cause mortality in Czech either, that might tell a different story also


  • #1361
    SuperTortoise
    Registered Users Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    _Brian wrote: »
    Yep.
    They were afraid to recommend face coverings as masks were in tight supply. I think that was one of the very few errors of the government’s management of the crisis.


    No closing of ports into the country
    Not making facemasks mandatory
    Ordering a couple of million gowns that had to be thrown in the bin
    Not shutting down in time i.e. the pubs, nursing homes
    No where near enough testing capacity
    The "green list" farce


    There's far more, that's just off the top of my head, but worst of all is the shocking case fatality rate, as a percentage of population it is far higher here than in most other countries.
    If you're calling that a job well done, i would'nt like to see the state of the country if they were doing a bad job.


    Compare ourselves to New Zealand for example, similar land mass, both islands, similar population and population density, yet compare their numbers to ours, puts things in perspective.


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  • #1362
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    wrangler wrote: »
    85 new cases today, not looking likely for the schools to open if this continues

    It dosent matter if its hits a 1000 cases a day heading into August schools have to reopen, the damage that would be done to society if they leave them shut isn’t comprehendable, cases per day isn’t the bar to be setting policy to, its death per day and admissions to icu’s that the barometer and levels are very low in this regard


  • #1363
    SuperTortoise
    Registered Users Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    It dosent matter if its hits a 1000 cases a day heading into August schools have to reopen, the damage that would be done to society if they leave them shut isn’t comprehendable, cases per day isn’t the bar to be setting policy to, its death per day and admissions to icu’s that the barometer and levels are very low in this regard


    But ICU admissions and deaths lag case numbers by a few weeks, so by the time ICU numbers go up the cases are then out of control.


  • #1364
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Increase in hospitalisations might be an earlier indicator. The number having to hospital are those who most likely have long term aftereffects.


  • #1365
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    SuperTortoise wrote: »
    But ICU admissions and deaths lag case numbers by a few weeks, so by the time ICU numbers go up the cases are then out of control.

    If the hse hadn’t of made a clusterf**k of handling nursing homes and residential care facilities for vunreable people Irish covid death figures would be only in the low 100”s, multiples of deaths will occur due to a continuing lockdown and having the health system operate at 3rd world levels re no cancer screening/routine surgeries then covid will kill....
    Bigger picture needs to be looked at now, their isn’t a infinite pot of money for the Irish goverment to keep drawing out of for much longer then a few more months


  • #1366
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,132 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    A state of disaster has been announced in Victoria with Melbourne under a curfew from 8pm to 5am.
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/victoria-state-of-disaster-melbourne-curfew-introduced-coronavirus-stage-4-lockdown-restrictions-what-they-mean/2e508cdb-6cfe-4a6f-ad80-52af9601435a


  • #1367
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Base price wrote: »
    A state of disaster has been announced in Victoria with Melbourne under a curfew from 8pm to 5am.
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/victoria-state-of-disaster-melbourne-curfew-introduced-coronavirus-stage-4-lockdown-restrictions-what-they-mean/2e508cdb-6cfe-4a6f-ad80-52af9601435a

    Kinda half measures ain't it


  • #1368
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,076 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    According to that Australias death toll is 209,very low if correct


  • #1369
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,132 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    whelan2 wrote: »
    According to that Australias death toll is 209,very low if correct
    Talking to eldest over the past few weeks and he said that there are areas of Melbourne with large public housing flat complexes where it has been spreading for weeks. The police were brought in to restrict movement from these areas but it obviously hasn't worked.
    Edit to add - He has sent plenty of snapchat pics over the few weeks of him and his work mates on Friday nights in the pub.


  • #1370
    Lime Tree Farm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Base price wrote: »
    Talking to eldest over the past few weeks and he said that there are areas of Melbourne with large public housing flat complexes where it has been spreading for weeks. The police were brought in to restrict movement from these areas but it obviously hasn't worked.
    Edit to add - He has sent plenty of snapchat pics over the few weeks of him and his work mates on Friday nights in the pub.

    While herding I have been trying to record curlews using a camcorder. I keep missing them, they are never at the same location any day. Today I just missed 2 as I wasn’t swift enough. On return home I switched on aertel, to see curfew in Melbourne, I clicked on it, mistaking it for Curlew in Melbourne. Curlews on the brain!


  • #1371
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The disaster status is about giving the police more powers to enforce lockdown.


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  • #1372
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


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  • #1373
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,056 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now


  • #1374
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    wrangler wrote: »
    Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now

    Not really a lockdown as can still move around. Be hard to enforce I'd say


  • #1375
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭alps


    wrangler wrote: »
    Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now

    Assuming roads through are open for the rest of us😉


  • #1376
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,056 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Not really a lockdown as can still move around. Be hard to enforce I'd say

    I've been talking to some people that have been irresponsible, ie going on to a house after leaving their table in the pub and bringing a few they meet with them, could be 20 + at the house.
    This virus will be unrelenting until every one gets it


  • #1377
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,076 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    So are non essential shops etc closed in these counties


  • #1378
    zetor 4911
    Registered Users Posts: 421 ✭✭zetor 4911


    wrangler wrote: »
    I've been talking to some people that have been irresponsible, ie going on to a house after leaving their table in the pub and bringing a few they meet with them, could be 20 + at the house.
    This virus will be unrelenting until every one gets it

    We in the farming community will have to up our game also what I see going on in certain marts is totally irresponsible with no social distancing taking place and no face covering all the department of agriculture and health have to do is to look at the on line pictures to see what is happening, the marts will be the next meat factories if this continues.


  • #1379
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,681 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Local young guy tested positive here. God, it ain't going away, is it?

    'The Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Galway, As they sailed beneath the Swastika to Spain'



  • #1380
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    wrangler wrote: »
    Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now

    Lunatics still in control of the asylum.

    All this for infections that are nearly all from meat factories and direct provision centres with only a small percentage actually getting any symptoms.

    The only way this hysteria will end is when jobs losses become permanent and the average person starts to question is it worth it...


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  • #1381
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Lunatics still in control of the asylum.

    All this for infections that are nearly all from meat factories and direct provision centres with only a small percentage actually getting any symptoms.

    The only way this hysteria will end is when jobs losses become permanent and the average person starts to question is it worth it...

    Gardai and the paddy wagons had to be called in monastervin to round up “asylum seekers” for testing, its a pure pisstake, outside of cases linked to that centre id reckon their isn’t any cases in Laois


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