View Poll Results: Who is the Greatest MMA fighter of All Time?
Jon Jones 27 37.50%
GSP 27 37.50%
Anderson Silva 3 4.17%
Fedor 3 4.17%
Khabib 9 12.50%
Other 3 4.17%
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18-02-2021, 17:39   #1
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The GOAT?

It seems that every conversation lately devolves to this GOAT stuff.

So maybe it's best to have a thread on the topic so we can gather all our GOAT thoughts here. Who do you think is the GOAT and why?



Jon Jones:
The youngest UFC Champion ever, he's realistically unbeaten (the only loss on his record being a DQ in a fight he was dominating). His record speaks for itself. 15 wins in title fights and has beaten the absolute who's who. Former champs in Rua, Machida, Rampage, Rashad, Vitor, two-weight champs in Sonnen & DC.

He cleared out two different generations of the 205 division as well. Won the belt in 2011 and held the same belt in 2020.

Cons: Loads of failed drug tests and generally being a bad human being.



GSP:

What a career. The days watching him come up through the ranks to challenge but fall short against the great Matt Hughes were amazing. He got himself back there and completely overtook Hughes to become the greatest WW in the history of the sport. Not as many wins over Champs like Jones (Hughes & Penn the only former WW champs he beat), but only because he was so dominant in his time, having taken over form a dominant champ in Hughes.

Jon Fitch, Jake Shields, Carlos Condit, Thiago Alves all could have been champ had GSP not held the belt. Hendricks went on to win the belt after their epic.

He then came out of retirement to win the UFC MW belt, 11 years after winning his first UFC title.

Cons: A glaring one in his KO loss to Matt Serra. After this loss he stopped taking risks and won almost every subsequent fight via decision. Also, his Hendricks win was seen in many eyes to have been a robbery.



Anderson Silva:

Smashed Leben so badly in his debut that they gave him an immediate crack at the title. He then smashed Rich Franklin's nose so badly that every MW in the world simultaneously sh*t their jocks.

He then reigned as Champion for what felt like 17 years. And not only that, he was finishing almost everyone who stood in front of him. Hendo, Marquart, Lutter, Sonnen, Vitor....... his finish of Griffin at 205 was incredible.

Cons: Never recovered form his KO against Weidman. very ropey tail-end to his career. Also, failed a drug test after his Championship reign.



Fedor: The legend himself. Despite not being the biggest HW, being kinda pudgey and looking like the weird mate of your even weirder uncle, he spent most of the 00's beating everyone who was put in front of him. Pride had most of the best HWs in the world at the time, and Fedor was the daddy of them all.

Big Nog, Arona, Coleman, Randleman, Cro Cop, Mark Hunt....... all on mandatory steroids, all smashed by the great Fedor.

Cons: He never tested himself in the UFC. Also, it was Pride so who knows?



Khabib: Unbeaten in his career, and with very few close shaves, Khabib has to be in the conversation. He retired without a loss and finished (?) his career with emphatic wins over the very best in the world. In fact, his last three victories were probably his best.

Cons: Some would say his body of work doesn't stand up to the others on the list.


(Honourable mentions: DC, Aldo, Randy, Mighty Mouse, Nunes, Junie Browning)
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18-02-2021, 18:15   #2
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I've probably contradicted myself countless times on this but right now Jonny Bones is the easy pick for me. I don't care about athletes failing tests anymore, it's all part of the game of top end sport, I care more about his constant fouling with eye pokes but the refs need to just start taking points after every eye poke, accidental or not, it would disappear quickly if they did. He's a dickhead but I don't look to sports stars for a moral compass, they live in a very different world to the rest of us. Great record, he's 15-0 in title fights over the last decade. Pretty sure you could wake him from a coke and booze bender, throw some gloves on him and he'll beat the top contender at LHW.

Miss a year - you're not getting the belt off him
Go on a bender before fights - you're not getting the belt off him
Personal life in turmoil - you're not getting the belt off him
Move up to Heavyweight - he's taking your belt

All the rest I have no issue if someone sees them as the goat, splitting hairs really.

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These are the fighters I'd shortlist too. And agree with your pros/cons generally.
If you hold Matt Serra against GSP you have to hold Werdum and Henderson agaisnt Fedor.
Drugs is a flag over Silva and Jones.
Fedor fought a lot of cans. But he beat the best. Khab fought cans too, but he beat the best.

Comes down to Khabib and GSP for me. Purely on championship level success in the UFC. I give it to GSP.
But the bar is not unsurmountable for Khabib, Jones, just yet.
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i couldn't vote for Fedor, Silva or Jones because of the failed drug tests and fighting cans, couldn't go for GSP as he was just so boring in the end, never took any risks, and he's canadian

Only leaves Khabib
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19-02-2021, 04:22   #6
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Fedor fought as many cans, and failed as many drug tests as Khabib.
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Fedor fought as many cans, and failed as many drug tests as Khabib.
i should have said ..only leaves khabib from that list

i'm old school though, i just gotta go with my man Chuck, tarnished off course by not knowing when to end it but damn, that was a fcukin great era for mma,

Please don't anyone try to talk me out of Chuck being the GOAT, I don't care if you provide me with irrefutable proof that he's not.....HE IS
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I meant that if Fedor's cans eliminate him, then shouldn't Khabib's also?
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Ken Shamrock as a differential. The man was an absolute icon. Maybe GSP genuine sportsman. Kimbo slice on his route to the top tier.
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19-02-2021, 07:04   #10
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No mention of Bas? For shame!

It's a nice concise list of nominations there with some fair pros and cons. Just to add my 2c

Jones and drugs: He seemed flakey at times in the latter point in his LHW career against the likes of OSP, Reyes and Santos when he was under more scrutiny than ever. This adds to the failed drug tests blemish as it could suggest he was more reliant on substances than before.

GSP became a smarter fighter after the Serra loss; not necessarily more boring. His fight IQ, combined with his well-roundedness made him a nightmare opponent. He faltered against Hendricks. Detractors would say he ran, but I say he did the smart thing by taking time off as being on top for so long was more pressure than he could handle.

Nothing to add about Fedor. Just wish he fought in the american promotions a few years sooner than he did as it would be easier to establish an opinion of his GOAT status.

Khabib would be GOAT if he had just a few more fights before retiring. I'd consider him to be the most dominant going by sheer number of rounds won/lost.

I'd throw Nunes into the mix. WMMA doesn't have quite the same competition pool but her resume speaks for itself. Gassed against Zingano and learned from it. Gassed against the smaller Shevchenko and scraped past her only to readjust and win their rematch comfortably. Smashed Rousey. Went up in weight and out-cyborged Cyborg. Nobody has come close to her in a long time.
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The old-schooler in me really hated leaving Chuck off there. What a fighter!
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Ken Shamrock as a differential. The man was an absolute icon. Maybe GSP genuine sportsman. Kimbo slice on his route to the top tier.
If you haven't read his recent autobiography with Jonathan Snowden I highly recommend it. It's an immense read!
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If you hold Matt Serra against GSP you have to hold Werdum and Henderson agaisnt Fedor.
On this, the reason I didn't is because while Fedor's loss v Werdum was the beginning of his decline, GSP's loss to Matt Serra was at the beginning of his sheer dominance over the division. I saw them as two completely separate situations.
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Jon Jones is the GOAT* without question. If questionable tests disqualify you, I'm not sure from the rest.
I don't like the guy, I think he's super obnoxious, but if Adesanya's career continues how it's going I think he'll be the GOAT. I think a win over Jan puts him ahead of Khabib.
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