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Originally Posted by eagle eye

I'm not sure he took the first, he spent a lot of it on his back defending kicks. He got big shots off early but time wise he lost a lot of the round.

Great to see the respect shown by Usman for Burns.

Yeah I'm not so sure about the first either.

As for the respect, Usman didn't touch at the start of the fight. They acknowledged each other at the end of the first round, looked ready to kill each other at the end of the second round and then Burns was floored and in tears at the end of the fight - hard to react to that.

Usman was clinical though, some power in those jabs.

[eagle eye]

Originally Posted by Celtic Husky

Khabib is the p4p GOAT

Who has he beaten that compares with Maia, Woodley, Covington and now Burns?
Khabib needs to get it on with Usman if he wants the p4p title and he won't get it if he does, he'll be 29-1.

[Mellor]

Originally Posted by eagle eye

I'm not sure he took the first, he spent a lot of it on his back defending kicks. He got big shots off early but time wise he lost a lot of the round.

Great to see the respect shown by Usman for Burns.

He was winning on the feet then slipped.
He was on his back by choice after that. They were both kicking each other’s legs. No real damage done by either.

[Celtic Husky]

Originally Posted by eagle eye

Who has he beaten that compares with Maia, Woodley, Covington and now Burns?
Khabib needs to get it on with Usman if he wants the p4p title and he won't get it if he does, he'll be 29-1.

I consider Gaethje Poirer Barboza and Mcgregor far better than all them. Lets be honest he beat Mcgregor, your idol, so you can't give him credit for that win, as well as the others. Otherwise you would have to admit how wrong you are. Khabib is the GOAT. 29-0. Usman has another 10 victories to go before he betters that record and even then he will not be undefeated like Khabib has been.

[Mellor]

Originally Posted by Celtic Husky

Khabib is the GOAT. 29-0. Usman has another 10 victories to go before he betters that record and even then he will not be undefeated like Khabib has been.

I think his point was related to quality or wins over quantity.
If quantity is the ultimate measure. Khabib streak isn’t in the top 5 longest streaks.

Renan Barao went 32 fights.
Igor Vovchanchyn went 40 fight

There were other who did 30-31 undefeated also.

[EagererBeaver]

Originally Posted by Mellor

I think his point was related to quality or wins over quantity.
If quantity is the ultimate measure. Khabib streak isn’t in the top 5 longest streaks.

Renan Barao went 32 fights.
Igor Vovchanchyn went 40 fight

There were other who did 30-31 undefeated also.

Barao's performances and record since 2014 would suggest he might not have been entirely responsible for that streak himself.

[Mellor]

Originally Posted by EagererBeaver

Barao's performances and record since 2014 would suggest he might not have been entirely responsible for that streak himself.

Yup. Had he retired after Faber fight. His P4P status would be very different.

That’s the point though, you can’t look at any one metric l, especially a streak, and say it dictates goat status.

[themandan6611]

Usman is some operator. He can judge and adjust so well during a fight and when you have a jab like his + wrestling = possible GOAT

[Gamb!t]

He's a beast and has some serious power in that jab.

[Esse85]

Originally Posted by Gamb!t

He's a beast and has some serious power in that jab.

Phenomenal specimen.

Hard to see where the holes are in his game that allow another fighter to beat him.

He was rocked a few times in the first but kept his head and soldiered on like a great champion would.

[mdwexford]

Originally Posted by eagle eye

Who has he beaten that compares with Maia, Woodley, Covington and now Burns?
Khabib needs to get it on with Usman if he wants the p4p title and he won't get it if he does, he'll be 29-1.

McGregor, Poirier and Gaethje all in their prime.

Both have beaten some great opponents. We don’t always have to try and **** on peoples records to make a point a fighter is great.

Usman made some good adjustments after round 1. Trevor Whitman is just killing it at the moment. The sparring with Gaethje must have been interesting, would love to see some videos of that.

I still think Colby has the best chance of beating him of anyone at 170 but Usman is obviously still favourite in that match up.

And actually has no one commented on Herb Dean in the main event. He was stumbling all over them being indecisive yet again for the finish. Not quite the level of the Ribas fight but still awful. He needs to be gotten rid of before he makes a mistake that kills someone.

[Brussels Sprout]

Originally Posted by mdwexford

Both have beaten some great opponents. We don’t always have to try and **** on peoples records to make a point a fighter is great.

+1 to this. Is there anything more tedious than the constant P4P debate?

Usman, Khabib, Adesanya, Stipe, Jones, Shevchenko & Nunes have all cleaned out their respective divisions in recent years. Some of them have been beaten along the way. Some of those divisions are deeper with talent than others. Who's the greatest of them? I don't know. Nobody knows. There's no objective way to compare them all which means that there's always some different metric that someone will use to say that their preferred fighter is the greatest or their most despised fighter is not.

Some goes for comparing fighters from different eras. Is Usman a greater WW than GSP? Who knows. Any yard stick you use to compare them is flawed.

Finally the idea that Khabib would have to go and fight Usman as some sort of test for P4P greatness is profoundly stupid. Why stop there? Why not take on Adesanya or Jones or Stipe? The whole point of a pound for pound champion is that you're comparing people without them having to fight outside their divisions where the heavier fighter has the clear advantage. The clue is in the name. /Rant

[Beersmith]

Those "8k" camera shots were horrible! Can't believe anyone thinks they look good.

[eagle eye]

Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout

Finally the idea that Khabib would have to go and fight Usman as some sort of test for P4P greatness is profoundly stupid. Why stop there? Why not take on Adesanya or Jones or Stipe? The whole point of a pound for pound champion is that you're comparing people without them having to fight outside their divisions where the heavier fighter has the clear advantage. The clue is in the name. /Rant

The reason I said he should go take on Usman is because it's well.kniwn that Khabib walks around at 190 when not in camp.
The other reason is because Khabib claimed he was P4P king and demanded the UFC put him top.
So if he wants it then go face the man who has shown more than he has.

[MrStuffins]

Sorry, was Khabib fighting last night or something?