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kona · 16-02-2021, 20:24

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Originally Posted by bk

I honestly can't believe I'm having this conversation in an airline forum. I would hope most people in the airline industry would understand the need for proper training and certification. This suggestion is the equivalent of someone saying couldn't a 737 pilot just jump in the cockpit of a A350 and fly it without a type rating!

You would be very suprised at some aspects of aviation and approvals the 737max would be one example.
My suggestion is not like saying a 737 pilot could jump into a a350 and fly it without a type. Its more like saying why cant a person who already has training, not be given a specific course to just administer vaccines.

Doctors, nurses, firemen, paramedics all have better things to be doing than jabbing the entire population. Having a team of maybe 20 trained people overseen by a fully trained doctor to supervise and run a centre would be a better use of resources.

donkey balls · 16-02-2021, 23:27

PHECC is the independent statuary body for pre hospital care, Akin to the nurses doctors bodies etc. It oversees the clinical training and examinations of EMT Paramedics and advance Paramedics.
As one of the above I have being contacted about the roll out of the vaccination programme along with other medical personnel from other backgrounds(Midwife pharmacists &physio)
Unfortunately no one below the grades above can administer an IM injection and must be currently registered with their practising body.

Noxegon · 17-02-2021, 08:03

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Originally Posted by donkey balls

PHECC is the independent statuary body for pre hospital care.

What a wonderful acronym.

donkey balls · 17-02-2021, 09:05

Sure is when I first started training 10 years ago people said is the person who came up with the name a Father Ted fan, On a more serious note the e mail i received regarding the vaccinations are for the recruitment in the Greater Dublin area and surrounding counties.
Hopefully they get the ball rolling and get people back to normality.

plodder · 19-02-2021, 12:51

Kieran Cuddihy was talking to a furloughed airline pilot on "The hard shoulder" on Newstalk yesterday evening about the difficulties in keeping ratings current and how pilots are working other jobs to make ends meet etc. If anyone is interested, it's on their website.

PommieBast · 19-02-2021, 14:47

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Originally Posted by plodder

Kieran Cuddihy was talking to a furloughed airline pilot on "The hard shoulder" on Newstalk yesterday evening about the difficulties in keeping ratings current and how pilots are working other jobs to make ends meet etc. If anyone is interested, it's on their website.

Bit of a tangent but I have wondered what that does to the business case of the 737 Max, which basically hinged on not needing type rating training..

plodder · 19-02-2021, 15:46

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Originally Posted by PommieBast

Bit of a tangent but I have wondered what that does to the business case of the 737 Max, which basically hinged on not needing type rating training..

I presume you'd still need to keep the NG(?) rating current and with the same limited amount of flying time. So, not sure what difference it makes.

**Tenger** · 25-02-2021, 19:53

IT article about Norwegian. They had 80 Airbus ordered. They have lost the deposits and have to pay 700K, presumably as a fine/cancellation fee.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...94036?mode=amp

"The troubled Scandinavian carrier and four Irish subsidiaries have High Court protection from creditors................
.......... the airline had agreed terms of a consent order to cancel an order for 88 Airbus aircraft.
Under those terms, the European aerospace giant will keep pre-payments while NAS will pay it a further €700,000.
The order included 30 Airbus A321 long-range aircraft. NAS is axing its long-haul business to focus on Scandinavia and the rest of Europe as part of its restructuring"

I'm sure those 30 slots will be eagerly snapped up. IAG would be a likely customer as they want/need them AND have liquidity to do so.

**L1011** · 25-02-2021, 19:55

Better to have a cleaner, realistic order book

haphaphap · 25-02-2021, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Tenger

I'm sure those 30 slots will be eagerly snapped up. IAG would be a likely customer as they want/need them AND have liquidity to do so.

I don't agree with that at all. With IAG having an LOI on 737 Maxes and so many lease companies having too many airframes with no customers the last thing IAG should be doing is looking eager and approaching Airbus. They can even re-negotiate current leases downwards because the lease companies are in such a tight spot.
Airbus will have to be put in a position where they are begging to even be allowed give a quote.

john boye · 26-02-2021, 00:49

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Originally Posted by haphaphap

I don't agree with that at all. With IAG having an LOI on 737 Maxes and so many lease companies having too many airframes with no customers the last thing IAG should be doing is looking eager and approaching Airbus. They can even re-negotiate current leases downwards because the lease companies are in such a tight spot.
Airbus will have to be put in a position where they are begging to even be allowed give a quote.

That LOI for the max is almost 2 years old. At what point do we just accept that it'll never happen?

haphaphap · 26-02-2021, 08:24

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Originally Posted by john boye

That LOI for the max is almost 2 years old. At what point do we just accept that it'll never happen?

when it stops being an effective negotiating tool.

**L1011** · 26-02-2021, 09:17

It's not an effective negotiating tool when the other side know it's a sham.

haphaphap · 26-02-2021, 10:12

A 737Max may be less desirable than a Neo but the economics are similar and a mixed fleet operation like IAG could easily introduce them in to their operations so it isn't a sham but Airbus would be more realistically worried about the many hundreds of Airbus planes which are already in existence seeking new homes.

Chris_5339762 · 26-02-2021, 13:22

Cork Airport have announced a twice-weekly flight to Frankfurt with Lufthansa beginning this summer. This is huge for Cork, as this now links Cork directly in with Lufthansas entire network.

Yes, Covid and all that, I still don't think Tony et al will let us fly this summer but it proves the interest is there and if not this summer, then next summer. Zurich (with Swiss) is available for this summer too.

It leads weight to my own theory that there will be a massive recovery in flight when all this is over, as everyone will hop on the nearest plane to somewhere, anywhere. Whether that is this year or next.

25-02-2021, 19:53	#3788
Tenger Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8,681 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Aviation & Aircraft, ZTest	IT article about Norwegian. They had 80 Airbus ordered. They have lost the deposits and have to pay 700K, presumably as a fine/cancellation fee. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...94036?mode=amp "The troubled Scandinavian carrier and four Irish subsidiaries have High Court protection from creditors................ .......... the airline had agreed terms of a consent order to cancel an order for 88 Airbus aircraft. Under those terms, the European aerospace giant will keep pre-payments while NAS will pay it a further €700,000. The order included 30 Airbus A321 long-range aircraft. NAS is axing its long-haul business to focus on Scandinavia and the rest of Europe as part of its restructuring" I'm sure those 30 slots will be eagerly snapped up. IAG would be a likely customer as they want/need them AND have liquidity to do so. Last edited by Tenger; 26-02-2021 at 13:38.

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16-02-2021, 23:27	#3782
donkey balls Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,108 Adverts \| Friends	PHECC is the independent statuary body for pre hospital care, Akin to the nurses doctors bodies etc. It oversees the clinical training and examinations of EMT Paramedics and advance Paramedics. As one of the above I have being contacted about the roll out of the vaccination programme along with other medical personnel from other backgrounds(Midwife pharmacists &physio) Unfortunately no one below the grades above can administer an IM injection and must be currently registered with their practising body.

17-02-2021, 09:05	#3784
donkey balls Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,108 Adverts \| Friends	Sure is when I first started training 10 years ago people said is the person who came up with the name a Father Ted fan, On a more serious note the e mail i received regarding the vaccinations are for the recruitment in the Greater Dublin area and surrounding counties. Hopefully they get the ball rolling and get people back to normality.

19-02-2021, 12:51	#3785
plodder Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,198 Adverts \| Friends	Kieran Cuddihy was talking to a furloughed airline pilot on "The hard shoulder" on Newstalk yesterday evening about the difficulties in keeping ratings current and how pilots are working other jobs to make ends meet etc. If anyone is interested, it's on their website.

25-02-2021, 19:55	#3789
L1011 Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 51,864 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Aviation & Aircraft, Accommodation & Property, Consumer Issues, Rip Off Ireland, ZTest	Better to have a cleaner, realistic order book

26-02-2021, 09:17	#3793
L1011 Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 51,864 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Aviation & Aircraft, Accommodation & Property, Consumer Issues, Rip Off Ireland, ZTest	It's not an effective negotiating tool when the other side know it's a sham.

26-02-2021, 10:12	#3794
haphaphap Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,369 Adverts \| Friends	A 737Max may be less desirable than a Neo but the economics are similar and a mixed fleet operation like IAG could easily introduce them in to their operations so it isn't a sham but Airbus would be more realistically worried about the many hundreds of Airbus planes which are already in existence seeking new homes.

26-02-2021, 13:22	#3795
Chris_5339762 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,927 Adverts \| Friends	Cork Airport have announced a twice-weekly flight to Frankfurt with Lufthansa beginning this summer. This is huge for Cork, as this now links Cork directly in with Lufthansas entire network. Yes, Covid and all that, I still don't think Tony et al will let us fly this summer but it proves the interest is there and if not this summer, then next summer. Zurich (with Swiss) is available for this summer too. It leads weight to my own theory that there will be a massive recovery in flight when all this is over, as everyone will hop on the nearest plane to somewhere, anywhere. Whether that is this year or next.